"Mystery" Chevelle LS-6 in NEW Muscle Car Review???

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

There aint but one MYSTERY CHEVELLE in this one horse town...and don'tttt you ferget it!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Very well put Mr. Peters....Unfortunatly as the market goes down and car prices go up, the propensity for people to "embellish" (not refering to the Chevelle in the post, nor the delaer in question...) about any given car will increase. While I agree that there are certian cars out there that have quirks about them, unless they are fully documented (ie: original period photos for instance in the case of a no smog LS6) then Mr. Gibson's 90/10 rule (guess I can call it that...) should be used if undergoing a full frame off (with top dollar being a goal). That is if 90% of the cars would have had it, then add it since it was an obvious defect...
As far as the outright lying to misrepresent cars goes...it has always been my opinion (we all know what they are like...) that a dealer has an even higher ethical standard to uphold than a private individual...I know in reality it doesn't make a difference to the poor SOB on the other end, but a dealer is assuming some liability for product knowledge that the individual doesn't have....

[redeuce]

Rick
The only car that was ever at NICAB L78 with A/C was back in the early 90's. I should know-
I owned the car for 9 years-I never told anyone it was a documneted car, because there was NO build sheet-when I restored the car I only found fragments on the tank-vin # 136370L181932. By the way, it was probably a restamp but the SAME vin was on the block as the car. And yes I had it at Schaumburg-it was the year the guy with the white Chevelle kept doing burnouts on the frontage road. If you need any more info on the car, I have the file with the title history that I ran on it. As to the Mystery Chevelle, you keep overlooking the fact that the car was restored again when it went to Florida-have you seen it since? I doubt it. This guy put thousands into the car, and you're still telling everyone it's not a good resto. I'm not upset about the "floating " comment- I'm upset because you completely made up the history of the car in Illinois. What is the difference between the dealers "misrepresenting" cars and you sitting in here lying about the dealers? You proved to me you didn't know anything about the history of that car, so why say anything? As to honesty, you ask anyone you want about me. There's a few guys in here that know me well-if anything, I downtalk a car because with the uneducated Baby Boomers, we are now selling to a clientele that doesn't know where the dipstick is. And, unfortunately, many who find out it isn't a Cadillac with a Northstar System are badmouthing in many cases for no reason. I have been there 5 years and sold almost all the cars there in that time. We have replaced three engines and two transmissions for customers at no charge, have a mechanic on duty if they need to bring it back, etc. We just paid a $200 tow bill because a customer locked up a Muncie and didn;t have enough brains to go under and pop it back- he called in a panic that the tranny was blown and pick it up right away. A stupid couple in Wisconsin filed a claim with Better Business Bureau because they thought the oil was dirty and the wipers didn't work-we told them to bring it to us and we would fix-they chose BBB instead. These are old cars people, they aren't perfect and I tell people that. Our prices are on par with any other dealer, and in fact pretty much in line with NADA. I'm not just some punk that pimps cars- I'm 50. I presently own a '56 Blown Chevy that has won 2 firsts and a best of show this year. One of my cars, the '66 Pro Street Candy Brandywine Nova, was on all Popular Hot Rodding subscription cards for 2 years '97 and '98. I owned the Fathom Blue Chevelle for 9 years and a Black Cherry '70 for a year. I am one of the Chicago Wise Guys sponsors-member of IAAA and NADA Classic and Collectible advisory board-NHRA-member #19 of ACES, owner of www.nofearmotorsports.com and www.autosinfo.com.Point is, I live the hobby 24 hours a day- I don't know when the last time was that you were at NICAB in person to see the place, but it is 1000% different from the days in Buffalo Grove and at the pole barn by the house. And the quality of cars reflects that. Of course, when you sell a volume of cars, there will be problems- some can't be helped- but who do you know in the country that has a 100% trade in policy and really does it? That means you get exactly what you paid for the car on a trade as long as you trade up. I just did one today. Not all of our buyers are like many of you, with frequent flyer miles and the time to travel all over to save a few hundred on a car. You need to shut the computer down, walk outside, and update your information on the people you talk against. There is not one point you made in the thread that was the truth. And as to the hood pin, stripe, cowl debate-file this with the proper shade of color for the wheels-unsolvable. In truth, we all know the factory option was all three together, but that ANY combination came from the factory and that the dealers all had stripe kits and pin sets to even mix it up more. By the way, there is no deduction for any combination you have unless the judge is a fool. Enough said.
Randy

[Stefano]

O.K. Mr70, you are now the Anti-'70 Chevelle expert.

Whatever you do, please do not stop sharing your knowledge and passion for Muscle cars, especially because of this thread.

BTW, thanks for all your help past and present! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Charley Lillard]

Reduece...I'm confused, has the car been Restored since the Magazine article ? In a earlier post I think you say it was restored before Tom Shaw did the article.

[redeuce]

Charlie
Thank you for recognizing the main point of my post. The car when we had it was a good frame up, but definitely not concourse. We never said it was. The whole selling point of the car was that it was rare in that it was a Monaco Orange, stripe delete,cowl delete,numbers matching LS6. In any collector's mind, that is a rare car. In a world where fake cars abound, we had a build sheet, window sticker,original bill of sale,original financing papers,along with the log of the first 10 years of ownership including every oil change, tune up, etc. along with all the receipts for any work done. We also had the receipts of the frame up that was done on it. I agree with Rick that at that time it was not a perfect resto. There were aftermarket parts on the car, BUT all the original parts were in boxes in the trunk. BEFORE the article was done, the new owner rerestored the car- including pulling the engine, stripping and repainting the undercarriage,doing the interior, and installing all the parts that were in the trunk. Shaw did the article AFTER this restoration, and I know no one around here has seen it, because the car hasn't left Florida since the resto. In my opinion, I didn't think it was fair to label this car as a poor restoration that was overpriced, floated around all the dealers, and wasn't really rare, it was just an orange LS6. Comments like this could hurt the owner's chances of selling the car, because people come here to gain information and help. Again, in no way do I question Rick's knowledge of Chevelles. However, I also have a fair knowledge and experience with Chevelles , and I can tell you as this car is today- it is a rare, nicely done, documented, investment quality car. I work every day- if anyone has questions or just wants to talk about cars, call me.
Randy

[Stefano]

Mr C. Lillard,
Since it has been documented with Spy photos that you have owned at least one LS6 Chevelle ,can you help clearify the Cowl delete and stripe delete "option" on a non cowl non stripe Chevelle?
I just keep getting more and more confused? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Randy,
Welcome to the board ,BTW. I have a question regarding the Monaco Orange LS6. Were the magazine photos before or after the final Restoration?

[JoeC]

redeuce, I cannot figure out what you are talking about on your description of this car. What does your documentation state? I am not a 70 Chevelle expert but as far as I know it cannot be "cowl delete" because CI was an option that needed to be ordered. It cannot be "stripe delete" because stripes were an option that needed to be ordered unless you ordered CI. If you ordered the CI option the car came with stirpes. I would have to see the trim tag info and build sheet but, the only nonstandard item I see with this car is the special paint. I have a special paint car so I wish SP did ad a great amount to the value but I do not see this reflected in the marketplace.

[Charley Lillard]

Stephano...I have owned a bunch of LS6's but any knowledge I gain I usually forget in about 2 weeks. I am absolutely not the person to give a opinion on this subject. My question about the car relates to the missing smog and the spark plug shields. Is that how the car sits now after the extensive Restoration or were those things corrected. If that is how the car sits now, then I would also question the correctness of the restoration. As forgetful as I am, I am sure that they all needed smog and do not need spark plug shields. It doesn't mean it isn't a neat car, just that it might need more attention if you wanted to bring it up to a Standard where you could comfortably have it Judged at a National level.

[redeuce]

Charlie
I talked to the owner today and he is removing the shields. The smog will have to be ordered. He is selling the car right now for 59,000, and in my mind with the market for LS6's as it is, that's a deal. I fully understand you all in here are going for concourse cars all the time. My point is, someone in here has to realize that the fact that it was so fully documented, has the original motor, and is a rare color and NON stripe car, I would not shy away from it just because it has heat shields that take 20 minutes to remove and needs a 15oo smog set up. Email me if any of you have interest.
Joe C.-How many Monaco Orange plain jane, original motor LS6 Chevelles have you seen? How many plain Jane Monaco Orange LS 6's were made? 10? 100? If you don't think that makes it a rare car, then OK. I think it's a rare car. I know the difference between non cowl and cowl delete- and you know exactly what I meant- I don't send my email to a proofer before I post it. The car is a Monaco Orange, NON COWL, NON STRIPE CAR.