"Mystery" Chevelle LS-6 in NEW Muscle Car Review???

[Mr70]

As RatPack stated,D88 stripes were available from the factory on Non Cowl hoods.My mistake.

[Rat_Pack]

Kurt, the stripes were optional on all non cowl induction SS models and even the Malibu's under RPO D88......RatPack..........

[redeuce]

Just to set the record straight. The car did not "float" around for a long time.The car was purchased by Tony down south. I sold it to a family near Chicago. They were not using the car, so decided to sell it. They consigned it at Midwest for a short period of time, it didn't sell, then contacted us, and we bought it back. We then sold it to Doug Young, a collector in Florida, who did a complete body off on the car before Tom Shaw did the article. The build sheet clearly states Monaco Orange, not Hugger. Also the car probably has more documentation than anything you "experts" have on your cars. In addition to all the factory paperwork, there was a notebook in which every oil change, tune up, part replacement, etc, was logged. Whoever the "expert" forum leader is, feel free to call me anytime at 847 526 5950 to discuss this. I probably already know you, but you wouldn't have the nuts to admit it to me. To Tom Clary- I have heard periodically that your boys like to bash people. I've talked to you personally on the phone-you are a good and well informed car person. Try to keep you slanderous "experts" on a leash- this whole thread is nothing but rumor, lies, and a big hoopla about heat shields. Why don't you guys get a life?
Randy

I might be stepping on your toes here, but you kinda asked for it. I really didn't find the thread to be "slanderous," as "slanderous" is spoken not written. If you want to use the correct term, it is "libel." In any event it was neither, as it was really a discussion more about '70 RPO's than anything else. Also when you go out on a limb and say that anything is the definitive example, whether concourse correct or the most documentation, you should really be able to back it up. While the car in question, is a nice looking car, it is not correct. It is well documented that LS6's used a smog setup, and I have never seen nor heard of one using spark plug heat shields. When someone spouts off about their cars correctness, and its' documentation then displays a car with these very obvious faults it makes you wonder what else is incorrect. As much as Mr. 70 (Rick P.) and myself disagree on certain issues I would like to publically say that he is one of the guys I would ask if I had a question on a Chevelle, especially a '70. The guy knows his stuff.
BTW...I can be emailed if you like...

[redeuce]

In no manner did I mean that Rick is not knowledgable- I know who he is. I am simply a car guy- I don't have wishes of stardom. My only point is that the "Mystery" Chevelle was totally restored after it went to Florida and before the article was done. So posting that it "floated" around for a long time and wasn't a good resto are incorrect. Except for the few weeks that Midwest consigned the car for the people, we were the only Northern dealer that had the car. It was never at Volo, as Rick stated. My whole point is that if you are an expert in a certain field ie '70 Chevelles, etc., all the power to you- but stick to the facts, don't fabricate a story about the car's history. Unfortunately, I sell and appraise all makes and models, so it is impossible for me to know every nut and bolt of every make and model. It is too much information and I need my library of books to help me in many cases. I apologize if I ruffled feathers-Tom Shaw may be off on some points in the article-however, the truth on the car's history is as I stated, not as Rick stated. Forums like this are essential to the hobby and I support them fully. Just beware of the power you hold in your comments, and realize that many novices take your word as gospel. If you Illinois guys want to do something good for the hobby, put down the boxing gloves and let's all meet at the Feed the Children benefit Saturday, July27.Shadows of Knight and the Ripchords are playing, Mindy Novotny and WIIL 95.1 are broadcasting there, and a good time will be had by all.
Randy
PS- Greg- Books are wonderful, however cold hard fact is that things happened at the dealer and factory that the books have no info on. I have a friend that bought his '70 Chevelle new.He got involved in an argument with some concourse judges that were telling him what was wrong with his car-their books were fine, but he had the car since day one and was the only one that knew exactly how it came from the factory. Truth is, we know of examples of many mistakes-some weren't mistakes- if they ran short of a part on the line, they didn't stop the line and say
'wait guys, this will be a classic and we have to do it right" They slapped in whatever was available. Don't go overboard on numbers and codes-enjoy them for what they are.

[Mr70]

Randy
Who are you upset with?
Me?
All who participated in this thread?
All Illinios Guys?
I have nothing against you,or this Chevelle.
I do have a problem with the way they Describe and Represent some of the cars you sell.
There was never any bashing going on in this thread.Only opinions about that featured Chevelle.
I am sure it is a very Nice car,and I wouldn't mind owning it.But not at that price,with those faults.
I know magazines can distort the facts a bit,as you stated,as there is nothing so Mysterious about this Chevelle.It just has one of the Special Order Paint codes.
If me calling this Chevelle Floating around is what is upseting to you,then so be it.This is hardly a reason to get upset about.In this day and age of people buying and selling and trading amongst themselves,its is common and not demeaning to this Chevelle.

I am not a 1970 Chevelle expert and have never claimed to be one.You labeled me that in this thread,and continue to do so.That offends me as I am just a Musclecar enthusiast like yourself.Don't put me up on that pedestal.I share my knowledge with all who ask for it as they share with me too.
I did not asign myself Forum Leader,it comes with the amount of time you spend here.Many,many more have this same title here as well.Don't take it literally.
I wish my opinion had that much weight with mankind,but it doesn't.
You as a MuscleCar salesman though,have a Responsibility to describe your cars REALISTICALLY.Take the high road.Don't mislead because other MuscleCarBrokers have deceived in their descriptions and gotten away with it.Only to have lawsuit after lawsuit later on.
Awhile back you had a 1970 L-78 Fathom Blue Chevelle that was being advertised as being built with Air Conditoning.We all know in 1970 Solid lifter engined Chevelles did not come with A/C.Yet you were claiming it was a numbers matching block to this car as built from the factory.When I looked at this Chevelle at Shaumburg Ill.Chevelle Showdown,It clearly had a completely different VIN# stamped on the block.Non matching to this Chevelle.Clearly a transplant.
The buildsheet I am holding for it is clearly an L-34 built car,with all it's respective codes.

Noone cares about how much volume sales a Muscle Car seller reports,or how much they just bought the
neighboring stores for to make room for more questionable cars.
In this day and age,you we be held accountable.
It's about trust.Look at Enron,Arthur Anderson,Worldcom,Xerox,to name a few.All deceived and got caught.
You say some people may take may opinion as gospel.Then you have the same responsibility as a Musclecar salesman.Don't sway the public with "Matching number" this and "One of One built" that.
If there is no factory documentation to support these cars,SAY IT.Don't take the attitude of "Prove us wrong" because there are no records to be found to prove this car wrong.State what is only a Fact,and not "a Maybe,who knows car".
If you are asking for Big Dollars on a car,your details stand to be criticized.That is why people nit pick the higher dollar cars more the an 18K driver.
If a restorer takes short cuts,he will be called out on them.
And don't say you are just the Broker,and the owner is asking for that selling price.
We all know you the Broker has a hand in setting the Cars price.
I am sure you have some Very Happy customers,but you must also know that you have some extremely irate Buyers.And what do they all have in common.Being Misled about a cars Heritage,Restoration or Documentation.I have many stories to tell about some certain Cars your company has sold in the past,but I will not go into detail here.It makes me ashamed sometimes to meet these buyers and see these cars,and have to say that I am from the same State and area as these Musclecar Dealers.Yes I know buyer beware,but there is no excuse for obvious ignorant deception at any price.I now you all keep track of eachother.It's a small world.
If you sell a car at a realistic price,then chances are that buyer will come back to you to sell that car in the future.Thats just good ETHICS and good Business.
Randy,I know you are a good person,so some of the tactics that are going on over there today may not be of your own wishes.If that is the case,then I would seperate myself from that employer.
Rick

[T Billigen]

Rick, did you get writers cramp????

[SS427]

Rick,
Very good point made. Hopefully you have not taken offense to me as I quite routinely refer to you as a '70 expert using your knowledge many times and also refering people to you. Keep up the good work.
Rick

[69rsss350]

Wow! You guys are something else. This hobby is all about neat cars and people who enjoy them. I agree with both the antagonists in this thread and also disagree on some points but I certainly don't want to bust anybodys chops. And we all know that magazines are highly unreliable anyway, all they want is to sell their fishwraps. I only buy them for the pictures.

[DZ28]

It's not just dealers that give the hobby a bad name, there are plenty of individuals misrepresenting these cars. It just takes a few bad apples to leave the hobbyist with a bad taste in there mouth. There's good and bad in every profession but the bad deals tend to outlive the good deals. It is everyones obligation to enlighten us with the truth. If you know the history of a particular car and don't devulge the truth, you're just as guilty as the seller. It is also I feel your responsibility to be sure of the facts as a seller or enthusiast.