A Nicky Camaro In NJ

[HLZ]

I wanted to respond to these posts since I own the car that everyone is talking about. I did buy the car from Nick at Golden Classics and have dealt with him the past. I have always been very happy with the cars I have bought and was shocked to read the postings that the cars he sells may be questionable.

When I purchased the car it was conveyed to me as an excellent replica, possibly an original. I have been able to trace the heritage back to the original title that was held in Chicago. With all the original parts in it that are unreplacablely Nicky and the origin being Chicago, we are sure it is an original. Without the paper work to back it up, we are selling it as an Excellent Replica. The price is very reasonable, particularly if it turns out to be an original down the road, when we all know they can go for over $100,000.00.

Please feel free to email me back with any further questions regarding the car.

HLZ

[sixtiesmuscle]

This is a good place to justify why you think it is a real Nickey. What parts are "unreplaceably Nicky"?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

"the cars he sells may be questionable" !?!?!?

The cars he sells are unquestionably some of the worst fakes/clones/scams that exist in the market. It's kind of fun to go there and listen to the salespeople impress prospective buyers with their infinite knowledge, want to go for a daytrip MikeA??
M

[Joe]

when ya guys goin ? mabe we can hit up a local GoGo Bar ?

[Muscle Car Jon]

I have been visiting this site for several months and I have to respond to all this dealership bashing and bitching. This makes me sick to see a great site like this go to the toilet because of a bunch of guys who seem to have it out for one particular dealer. Why? What about all the other classic car dealers in the USA? I have seen some real over priced junk at some of these other places. Mike A, when was the last time you were at that dealer? A lot of the cars they have there now are killer! Are you jealous of the cars they have? What about the rest of you? Are you all talking from experience or just from "what you heard"? Not everyone can afford a $100,000 supercar. Mike, I see you own a mid to later 70's NOVA, not even a car from the best era of the muscle cars. Looks like a nice car, but its what you can afford. THATS THE POINT! Buy what you can afford! I'd love to buy a real nice true Yenko, but I can't. I'll take a clone for $35,000, if it is everything a real Yenko is for a third of the price just because it wasn't built by Don Yenko himself. I went to the very dealer you are questioning today after reading these postings on this Nickey Camaro and I have never seen a collection of cars like this at any other classic car shop anywhere around here. I have visited many shops in New Jersey, Maryland, Ohio, CT, FL, etc. Those guys really get some of the best cars I have ever seen! They have had a few clones there, but I have never been mislead that they were real. They had told me straight out that the Nickey was a replica and thats how it was to be sold. They also told me what this gentleman was saying about researching the past on this car. HELLO PEOPLE, they only can tell you what information that owners of the cars tell them! I also remember a few cars they took to Atlantic City last year. Yes, one was a Yenko Clone and the other was a ZL1 replica. If the guy there did not tell me they were clones, I would have never known. He was truthful and stated that they were replica's, and very well built. Again, no problems, no lies. The amount of CLEAN frame off cars in one location was impressive. Sure, they have some not so restored cars, but again, they truthfully told me about them and never tried to do me wrong. Before you all start to bad mouth a business, go there and see for yourself like I did. I wanted to post something a few days ago, but I wanted to see with my own eyes how they operated and what quality of cars they had in stock first hand, knowing what was said here. I would think that if the rest of you did the same, you will see high quality cars with people who are honest about the product they sell. Take my comments for what you will, but I at least can gather my own opinions on fact from a dealer that treated me, with respect and honesty. Thank you for the forum to express my thoughts. Jon

[jbsides]

Muscle Car Jon,

Here is one example of Golden Classic's "representations." Take a look at the photos and then talk to this guy or email him. he will tell you all about his experience. Copy the url and paste it into your url window, or someone help me make this a clickable link...

http://www.cars-on-line.com/68chev5581.html

This is not just misrepresentation it is illegal...

JB

[Muscle Car Jon]

I have seen this 68 Z28 guy all over the internet and he placed an ad in the local paper in New Jersey. I question the sanity of a guy who would risk slander charges. Where's the proof that the dealership did it? Did this guy ever talk to the actual owner of the car, before or after the car was bought? Did he have someone check the car out for him before spending big money on a car across the country from him. Sounds stupid to spend $20-30k on a car without getting an outside person to look at it if he didn't want to fly out to see the car. What's a few hundred when you are ready to spend thousands? I've driven 20 hours to Florida to see cars I wanted to buy, and they were only in the $12,000 range. What about factory defects? I suppose you have never seen a double stamping, badly aligned stampings, or casting slag on a block? These things are mass production, errors do happen. There is a website Camaros.net or .org that brings this very subject up. You have seen the pictures, you would have to pull an engine, remove the head, & deck the motor to get the block that smooth, just to restamp the numbers? Seems like a lot of work to get an extra buck from a car that had all the right date codes already on the engine? Did the dealer recast the engine to make those right too? Maybe the shop who built the motor when it was first restored wanted to put the original numbers back on the motor after it was machined, and just didn't do a perfect job? I feel sorry for the guy if he is not happy with his car, but look at the pictures... THAT CAR IS NICE! I used to run a shop for two years and left after all the BS that customers come up with. Maybe I am playing Devils Advocate, but I know what its like to be on the other side of false accusations. I stress that everyone who wants to comment on the dealership Future Classics, or any other dealer for that matter, should do what I did and visit them, see the cars, and talk with the people who work there and then come to your own conclusions on personal facts like I did. Again, I thank you for letting me speak my mind. God Bless America - Jon

[bbdon]

So I'm not the only one here who has a late model Nova ? That's great! But I don't see what that has to do with misrepresenting a supercar. Looking just at the posts here, we see that callers to the Golden classics dealership are being told that a car is genuine. Then we find out from the car's owner that he is not sure that it is real. Try to defend this conduct all that you want, it is free speech, fine. But you have an uphill battle. Also, I do not think that this site is going into the toilet, quite the opposite, it is steadily improving.

[Charley Lillard]

Jon.....From the pics it is very obvious that the engine and trans are VERY bad restamps. I believe the car was represented as #'s matching ? The Dealer has a License. There are Conducts he is supposed to abide by. People buy things long distance without going to look at them by going on another persons word. Apparently the Buyer relied on the Dealers word. If it was sold as a #'s matching car and is not, the Dealer either Misled the buyer or didn't know what he was selling. He should have taken the car back. Regardless of the condition of the car , there is a BIG difference in value if the components are restamps.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Jon;
I have visited 'Golden Classics', so don't act like you are the only one who has been there.

They sell sh$t, plain and simple.

My wife and I watched while they lied to a young guy and his family about a '71 BB Chevelle. When I told him where to look on the block for the stampings, Nick pulled me out of there to look at a bunch of '69 Z's - wow none of them were X33's or X77's, but they were all painted non-original huggar orange and daytona yellow and represented to me as frame off correct resto cars! Is this how a dealer should act? Obviously not, since he has been sued numerous times.

If you couldn't tell that their Yenko and ZL1 was a replica, then you need to do some homework on what to look for.
M