B-Motion Prod. #'s Bogus?

[whitetop]

Hello Joe C.

Martyn Schorr is still alive & kicking I was just told, not sure what he is up to. Musclecar Review had a feature on a 70-72 Phase III Camaro 2-3 years ago, red with black stripes. Didn't the owner say their was a total of 74-76 second generation Motion Camaros made? Or I may have heard this from Brad Fanshaw who owns the red/white MSVega who grew up in Omaha and was familiar with that car.

There were two NY based publication from the mid '70's that always had a lot of Motion Street machines in them. Street Power and Street Racer were their names. Really really cheap pulp magazines. But cool as heck. They are really hard to find. I pulled out one last night and it had a 70 1/2 Phase III Camaro in it. Randy Columbo was the owner from Blue Pointe N.Y. Car had the words "The Godfather" on it's rear quarter's above the Motion stripes. Car in the feature was modified above and beyond how it came from Motion. Tunnel ram etc. I happened to run across Randy by chance at the NMCA car show at Maple Grove in PA in '93. I asked him about the Motion car and he said it was long gone and he tried many times over the years to find it. (just like what you said Rbernat). Randy did mention the hood was still hanging up in his garage.
Another car in the same mag was the original '67 BM Camaro race car that was Butternut yellow. This WAS the same one you saw in all the original BM ads. Robert E. "Reb" Brown from Hornell NY bought it from Joel. That car still had all the Motion goodies on it, NMW tow tabs, Mr. Gasket AC, Sun gauges, Motion traction bars etc. The only thing that was done to it was a repaint of the original Butternut yellow paint. This magazine was from August '76. Wonder where these two cars are today?
Whitetop

[restorer]

I was wondering about the prices of these cars (B/M, Nickey,Dana)I don't know a lot about the Chevelle and if it is a COPO or not, but if it is a conversion car what is driving the price. I am originally from a small town in Md. and the local Chevy dealer sold a few hi-perf Corvettes and Camaros but never any transplants that I know of, my question is if they did would it be worth huge dollars too? I dont think so, I understand COPOs bringing the dollars but not one that was transplanted. I could do that too

[COPO]

restorer,

The value of the Yenko, Motion, Dana, Nickey cars is derived from them being modified but sold as NEW cars through the dealership. A used car brought in for an engine swap is not perceived by the market to be nearly as valuable. I don't think $50,000 for the BM Chevelle is out of line. With a $30,000 resto the owner will have invested $80,000 for a car with 3 or so existing. '69 restored BM camaros and Yenkos bring those kind of dollars or more. I hope the new owner restores the car and shows it occasionally. Would be a shame if it's locked away in a collection never to be seen. Sounds like a candidate for next year's Supercar Reunion!

[rbernat]

fifty thousand seemed to be a bit high for this car considering only the original l-78 build sheet and motion verification form was included.there were too many questions in regards to how the car was actually delivered from motion.i have seen many motion cars and their always phase threes.does anyone know if the motion verification form states it being a phase three?.i have documented a few motion cars thru joel and have never been told that it was a phase three car without receiving the order form or submitting the paperwork that i have to joel.back in 1984 for $500.00 i received the b/m order form along with decals and motion fender badges.i know that the documenting fee has tripled but their should be some paperwork.

[69motion]

maybe you all are right maybe joel didnt 500 cars as he stated

[Edited by 69motion (07-31-2000 at 07:18 PM).]

[whitetop]

Joe C gave a long list of different Motion cars. How is this for something different. Chevy Action 1976, 1st Qtr, has a Motion Phase III wreck truck featured. It had 454, Phase III hood, emblems, valve covers etc. This is not a joke. Seems the owner commissioned Joel to build him a fast truck. This truck was also in Hot Rod in the readers letter section in 1977-78. Motion also built Phase III Chevy Blazers with all the Motion stuff. Mrs Rosen rode around in this one.
Again, I'm not kidding.

whitetop

[JoeC]

Here is an interesting article on a Camaro web site written by a guy who owned two cars from Motion/Baldwin and knew Joel.(not Phase III cars)
http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/...article_fs.htm

[JoeC]

Whitetop - I believe it - Motion would hot rod anything! Motion built at least one Elcamino with a 427/425hp motor. It was featured in HP Cars mag and was built as a tow car. Another odd Motion vehicle was the V8 Vega woody wagon that Joel drove as his personal transportation.(this was also in an HP Cars article). Old Magazines are great.

[djunod]

Old topic again...

I believe another factor in the inflated numbers is EGO. People liked to be viewed as prolific.

On August 20 2002, I talked with Joel Rosen on the telephone about some Maco issues---current pricing for the Maco & Manta Ray kits that he STILL sells).

He told me flat out that he made 3 Maco's and 1 Manta Ray (Ray Pennington). Those are different numbers then I've seen in magazines.

BTW---Here's a picture of outside Silva's shop.



[edited September to August]

[Rat_Pack]

Whitetop, I think the 500 number is probably close to correct if you count all makes of cars he did: Oldsmobiles, Dodge & Plymouths, Buicks, and of course the VW's. Let me clarify, all cars he "modified" or converted including the cars from Baldwin Chevrolet. What do you think?....................RatPack.................