68 Baldwin Motion Camaro going to Barrett

[Steve Shauger]

I think this horse has beaten dead a while ago.

Joe has documented this car through the years and was very diligent in the pursuit of its pedigree. He doesn't possess Baldwin Chev or Motion Performance paperwork, however he has documented the history and has signed letters & affidavits ( I believe) from past ownership and personnel that worked for Motion.
That obviously is not enough for you which you've expressed in nauseum. Joe has a binder full of pics, letters detailing the history. What he has isn't convincing to you and I get that.


There are people who have looked at his documented history who may feel differently. Please let this go .

Btw Motion would perform what ever configuration you wanted. Yes they published documents outlining phase builds, but if you had the money the sky was the limit on your radical configuration.

[whitetop]

Those finned valve covers did not come out until very early 70's Most of the early Motion cars from the mags back in the day used factory chrome valve covers with Motion decal added.

[cook_dw]

Another question about the car. Do you know why the washer bottle was moved to the pass inner fender like a 69 and then moved back to the drivers (correct position)? Wasn’t sure if it was due to a Motion mode or what.

[70 copo]

I have potentially great news for the seller... I have alerted Marty Shorr to the existence of this thread.

[70 copo]

Marty has viewed the thread. What follows is his authorized reply:

Hi: I understand your, as well as others, concerns about this car. All I really know is that Joel Rosen did not document this car as he has not been well and has passed on all Baldwin-Motion and Motion archives to someone else. I've seen lots of detail pix of this car sent to me by Joe Steff, but without conversion paperwork from Motion Performance or documentation from Joel Rosen, there are unanswered questions. The auction companies, unfortunately, do not care. And, I can't document a car, even a car like this one that has all the right stuff.

[70 copo]

I agree with Marty. It has all the right stuff, but the timing for some of it seems to be the source of at least some of the debate here.

What interests me is the comment from Marty that JOEL has passed the archives to "someone else".

That's a good thing and I want to thank Marty for allowing us to know that.

[Steve Shauger]

I attached a few pics from someone who took just a few pics of the docs displayed at the Camaro Nationals in July 2022.

[70 copo]

I really think the car is (Kind of accurately) represented from a legal prospective for the auction.

Car was sold new at Baldwin Chevy.

Car was likely converted at a much later date by motion as a job in the early 1970’s

So the car is also Motion conversion.

So it is accurate to call it a Baldwin/Motion that is kind of factual.

The unanswered questions center around the absence of any record of the car being an actual Baldwin-Motion performance combine product and in addition there are no records of a later motion conversion on this specific car either.

[Steve Shauger]

Phil, you haven't laid eyes on the car yes, it's your opinion but pure conjecture. Go to the auction and verify the documents, call the present and previous owners, so you have a more complete and some actual information. You may be correct, but it is just a guess since you have no intimate knowledge other than a few online pictures.

[GotGrunt]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

Marty has viewed the thread. What follows is his authorized reply:

Hi: I understand your, as well as others, concerns about this car. All I really know is that Joel Rosen did not document this car as he has not been well and has passed on all Baldwin-Motion and Motion archives to someone else. I've seen lots of detail pix of this car sent to me by Joe Steff, but without conversion paperwork from Motion Performance or documentation from Joel Rosen, there are unanswered questions. The auction companies, unfortunately, do not care. And, I can't document a car, even a car like this one that has all the right stuff.

If Joel has passed on all the Motion archives to someone else, I’m assuming that person will be the new go-to for documenting these cars from now on? Someone needs to search the Motion paperwork to see if this is indeed a B/M new car conversion or a Motion conversion that just happened to be sold new at Baldwin.