1969 Norwood Firebird introduction.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by William

Is it possible Norwood built some Camaros during that period? Sure.

Well we are getting someplace. You are now pivoting to a view that acknowledges what literally everybody in plant that remembers about the Firebird production integration.

Over several threads I have spent considerable time researching how the information processes that controlled plant production could fail (and why) and how those failures contributed to production data anomalies moving forward.

The data you and others collect and rely upon is generally only as good as the data produced by GM in that time period.


Just please do not run around claiming that Norwood stopped building Camaro's, that just did not happen-- until August 26th 1987 on the second shift and the last vehicle at the end of the line was a Camaro also.

[William]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

Well we are getting someplace. You are now pivoting to a view that acknowledges what literally everybody in plant that remembers about the Firebird production integration.

Over several threads I have spent considerable time researching how the information processes that controlled plant production could fail (and why) and how those failures contributed to production data anomalies moving forward.

The data you and others collect and rely upon is generally only as good as the data produced by GM in that time period.


Just please do not run around claiming that Norwood stopped building Camaro's, that just did not happen-- until August 26th 1987 on the second shift and the last vehicle at the end of the line was a Camaro also.

I didn't say I was convinced it didn't happen. Known NCRS data has no Camaro production April 3-14. April 3 was a Thursday; they could easily have consumed the 353 unit gap by working all week, including Friday the 4th. The shipping data can't be that far off; Norwood had to queue finished cars away from the plant and space was tight. The cars were invoiced by GMAC the instant they left the plant. We have 200 dealer invoices for 1969 Camaros from one dealership. There is also a gap in shipping data:

N625818 shipped 4/3/69
N626468 shipped 4/14/69
N626665 shipped 4/15/69

The average build-to-ship queue 1/1/69 - 11/10/69 is 2.03 days. Not unusual to ship same day or next.

If you're dying to know, I have 15 complete VINs in the gap that are known to exist. Pick one in the middle and get NCRS for it.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by William

I didn't say I was convinced it didn't happen. Known NCRS data has no Camaro production April 3-14. April 3 was a Thursday; they could easily have consumed the 353 unit gap by working all week, including Friday the 4th. The shipping data can't be that far off; Norwood had to queue finished cars away from the plant and space was tight. The cars were invoiced by GMAC the instant they left the plant. We have 200 dealer invoices for 1969 Camaros from one dealership. There is also a gap in shipping data:

N625818 shipped 4/3/69
N626468 shipped 4/14/69
N626665 shipped 4/15/69

The average build-to-ship queue 1/1/69 - 11/10/69 is 2.03 days. Not unusual to ship same day or next.

If you're dying to know, I have 15 complete VINs in the gap that are known to exist. Pick one in the middle and get NCRS for it.

I get it. We routinely fall into the trap of overthinking things. That is a habit I had to force myself to break. The reality is that things are often simple if you factor in the human element.