Musclecar prices and the possible recession

[Lee Stewart]

If I am being accused as a Fear Monger let me apologize to all. It was my intention to post articles and discuss issues that would help members get a better understanding of the current situation that is affecting all of us.

I took this liberty with the best intentions. The thread starter asked for speculative opinions: Musclecar prices and the possible recession. I saw that as an opportunity to discuss the possibility of a recession based on the issues that are causing said recession; COVID-19 and what has happened to the Oil market. If you believe it is anything else then we agree to disagree.

I have stopped posting in this thread and have moved over to my thread: You Can't Make This Stuff Up! If you would like to discuss these two issues further it is probably a better place. Of course someone (not me) could start a new thread in the Lounge Forum specifically dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.

Lee Stewart

[Steve Shauger]

The media sensationalizes everything as a general statement. For instance when we get 3 inches of snow here on Long Island it's considered a blizzard and half the island shuts down.


I use that as an example of our local media outlets. I certainly don't want to minimize the present situation. Regarding our site quite honestly I get tired of all the updates posted on how far the stock market has dropped. You can get real-time analysis from whatever news outlet you fancy.


The steps that have been taken to curb the spread of the virus hopefully will have the correct effect. There are unknowns and peoples natural reaction is flight or fight. Lets fight through this together.


The best thing we can do is support each other, discuss our projects, new acquisitions and how your car performed on your last drive. For example I took the 67 L78 survivor Camaro out yesterday. With 456's I can't shift fast enough, with D-70-14 the tires grab like I'm on snow, and at 50mph I'm running 3150 rpm's. With that said, I enjoyed the heck out of the drive. Oh I took a picture when I stopped at a Harbor Freight store. met a bunch of motorheads and talked tools


Let's stick to the ultimate mission/goal of the site, a place where likeminded enthusiast can exchange ideas, develop friendships, and help other hobbyist and share our car experiences.


Lets get back to our mission......

[67since67]

Originally Posted by Steve Shauger

For example I took the 67 L78 survivor Camaro out yesterday. With 456's I can't shift fast enough, with D-70-14 the tires grab like I'm on snow, and at 50mph I'm running 3150 rpm's. With that said, I enjoyed the heck out of the drive. Oh I took a picture when I stopped at a Harbor Freight store. met a bunch of motorheads and talked tools

Lets get back to our mission......

Steve, your Camaros are absolutely stunning, every one of them!!!

[RPOLS3]

Originally Posted by Steve Shauger

The media sensationalizes everything as a general statement. For instance when we get 3 inches of snow here on Long Island it's considered a blizzard and half the island shuts down.


I use that as an example of our local media outlets. I certainly don't want to minimize the present situation. Regarding our site quite honestly I get tired of all the updates posted on how far the stock market has dropped. You can get real-time analysis from whatever news outlet you fancy.


The steps that have been taken to curb the spread of the virus hopefully will have the correct effect. There are unknowns and peoples natural reaction is flight or fight. Lets fight through this together.


The best thing we can do is support each other, discuss our projects, new acquisitions and how your car performed on your last drive. For example I took the 67 L78 survivor Camaro out yesterday. With 456's I can't shift fast enough, with D-70-14 the tires grab like I'm on snow, and at 50mph I'm running 3150 rpm's. With that said, I enjoyed the heck out of the drive. Oh I took a picture when I stopped at a Harbor Freight store. met a bunch of motorheads and talked tools


Let's stick to the ultimate mission/goal of the site, a place where likeminded enthusiast can exchange ideas, develop friendships, and help other hobbyist and share our car experiences.


Lets get back to our mission......

Amen!

[Crush]

OK here’s some good news we will all benefit from lower gas prices so we can drive our cars. Who knows maybe they’ll get back to 70s prices! Russia and Saudi Arabia are going to continue to produce more and more who knows……

[tom406]

I've already talked about some of the reality here on the ground in Seattle. I now have someone close to me who is advanced in years, showing symptoms, and is going to be tested for COVID-19. Its real AF for many of us, so while I'm open to debating responses and policies, I have little patience to engage with anyone referring to this situation as a hoax.

I value this community-its why this is the one website I've frequented pretty much since I began surfing the internet. It has consistently remained informative and above the fray of petty internet BS. I'm hugely appreciative of it in many ways-everything from learning how to analyze Chevrolet engine stamp pads to actually having several people share the wrenching loss of a spouse or child. That's not par for the course on internet boards.

I appreciate the honest and open discussion, and hope it continues in most ways. One thing I took away from the 2016 election/culture war, is that scolding-especially in a snarky, dismissive way-is really only for the poster's ego and isn't going to actually sway anyone's opinion. Nobody is listening after they are insulted. They just aren't, whether they've just been called a "snowflake" or a "deplorable". So, if you read back what you've typed and it reads like a scold for not feeling the way you feel, delete it and try again or go work on your car.

I love these old cars. They've been dominant in my life since I was about 4 (really) and my business for half my life. I'm 50 and I'm fortunate to have a comfortable life, mostly related to marrying a great partner with skills she could monetize. Most of my regular clients and close friends in this hobby are older than me-many are as old or older than my Dad. I'm not really sure where some of you get this endless optimism about the market for these cars, even the "blue-chip" collectibles. I certainly don't think the market is going to end in my lifetime, but I struggle to come up with people I know personally my age or younger who I really believe will EVER line up to pay six figures for a 1960's muscle car, regardless of how well their portfolio is doing. Who is in the BJ/Ebay/Mecum audience in 10 years?

As for the near future, I think that the best stuff will stay strong if the economic fallout isn't too severe. In 2007, I saw a lot of cars hit the market and a lot of serious collectors get squeezed by their debts. Most of them were self-made contractor types and they had too many notes come due. Not only were they no longer buyers, they were having to liquidate some awfully good cars. As for the rest, I can't see the bread and butter middle market doing anything but settling. Few people can be thinking of looking for a random Camaro or '57 Chevy to take to Cars and Coffee in the summer of 2020, whatever they think about their personal risk to Coronavirus.

As ever, thanks to the forum for letting me share my .02c.

TOM

[Z15 SS 454]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

If I am being accused as a Fear Monger let me apologize to all. It was my intention to post articles and discuss issues that would help members get a better understanding of the current situation that is affecting all of us.

I took this liberty with the best intentions. The thread starter asked for speculative opinions: Musclecar prices and the possible recession. I saw that as an opportunity to discuss the possibility of a recession based on the issues that are causing said recession; COVID-19 and what has happened to the Oil market. If you believe it is anything else then we agree to disagree.

I have stopped posting in this thread and have moved over to my thread: You Can't Make This Stuff Up! If you would like to discuss these two issues further it is probably a better place. Of course someone (not me) could start a new thread in the Lounge Forum specifically dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.

Lee Stewart

Lee,
No need to apologize as I feel we all appreciate your inputs on this site. I feel it is ok to have healthy debate over things as we are all individuals and cant possibly agree on all things. (as long as it does not turn into personal attacks)

No one knows how this will turn out and that causes worry which makes sense. Sometimes chatting it up with like minded individuals (cars not political affiliation) eases some of the worry.

I have some worry, My wife and I are 44 years old. non smokers and live a healthy lifestyle but she got severe pneumonia 2 years ago and still has respiratory issues.
I have 2 young kids, one in day care...

My wife and I are both Employers to 8 people that have families and rely on us as much as we rely on them.

With that being said I think we are all going to be Ok as long as we have our families and friends/friends of this site around us!