Isn't there something sketchy with this car?

[camarojoe]

So how did it get a gold award at MCACN with a 992 out of 1000?

[JEFF GHILANI]

We spent some time discussing that as well. Even Alan Colvin at one point seemed to find the car interesting. Perhaps at MCACN the car was being judged for restoration quality and correctness in terms of how it should be built with it's claimed options rather than authenticated to those options? Keep in mind the scarcity of available late 60s Impala experts on the order of detail that we encounter with Chevelles and Camaros.

We got into a big discussion about this car because this type of thing is so important to the integrity of the hobby, but it lasted months because the owner just didn't want to accept what we were saying and showing.

I'm tempted to post some detail pictures of the car and show you guys what all the fuss is about.

[mssl72]

I say post 'em up!

[bashton]

Originally Posted by camarojoe

So how did it get a gold award at MCACN with a 992 out of 1000?

VERY simple answer; this car was judged at MCACN as a DAY 2 car, NOT Concours Stock. Day 2 allows period correct replacement parts, including engines, trans etc etc.

I think in the transition between the several auction sellers this car has seen, the owners represented it to imply it was Concours judged and not Day 2. You'll see that none of the previous sellers offered to show the MCACN certifications, as they clearly say Day 2.

This is also the reason we changed the terminology for our modified cars to Blue, Red and White ribbon instead of Bronze/Silver and Gold, as some sellers would state their car was judged Gold at MCACN, and potential buyers would incorrectly assume it was Concours Stock.

Bottom line, as always, is that buyers need to do their due diligence.

Bashton

[TAR6569]

Originally Posted by bashton

VERY simple answer; this car was judged at MCACN as a DAY 2 car, NOT Concours Stock. Day 2 allows period correct replacement parts, including engines, trans etc etc.

I think in the transition between the several auction sellers this car has seen, the owners represented it to imply it was Concours judged and not Day 2. You'll see that none of the previous sellers offered to show the MCACN certifications, as they clearly say Day 2.

This is also the reason we changed the terminology for our modified cars to Blue, Red and White ribbon instead of Bronze/Silver and Gold, as some sellers would state their car was judged Gold at MCACN, and potential buyers would incorrectly assume it was Concours Stock.

Bottom line, as always, is that buyers need to do their due diligence.

Bashton

Thanks for the reply. I always thought the owner restored to "factory stock" as I've never seen it advertised as a day 2 car.

"And Bill did the restoration right, too, scoring a total of 992 points out of a possible 1,000 at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals in nearby Chicago at the car’s first show outing. To top it off, the chief judge, noted 1960s Chevrolet authority Bill Braun, hand-wrote a note on the judging sheets saying that the three judges agreed that the L-72 is the correct engine for the car. While it’s not the definitive paperwork Bill needs, it certainly supports the case for authenticity."

In this HMM article, it says the 3 MCACN judges were checking to see if the engine was correct. As I recall, the handwritten note had something to do with the engine pad numbers looking ok. Are these numbers typically judged in the day 2 class to see if the engine is correct for the car?

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...impala-ss-427/