Picked up a double shot of 69 Camaro the other day!

[JamesinHBCA]

A couple of great cars for sure. I am sure you will get all the numbers verified before spending "Holy Grail" type money on a resto.

As a LEO, I think you can understand exploring all options in an investigation, so don't take it personal if I ask a way out there "what if" question. What if the guy who owned these cars and the faked L89 in the other thread is the one who started the forgery on the L89 by gathering the right parts and getting the correct stamping way back when, before it was stolen? Then maybe he was going to do the same with these project cars.

Or perhaps it really is just an "Incredible amount of good fortune and planetary/galaxy alignment" in your favor.

[dabigpud]

Originally Posted by JamesinHBCA

A couple of great cars for sure. I am sure you will get all the numbers verified before spending "Holy Grail" type money on a resto.

As a LEO, I think you can understand exploring all options in an investigation, so don't take it personal if I ask a way out there "what if" question. What if the guy who owned these cars and the faked L89 in the other thread is the one who started the forgery on the L89 by gathering the right parts and getting the correct stamping way back when, before it was stolen? Then maybe he was going to do the same with these project cars.

Or perhaps it really is just an "Incredible amount of good fortune and planetary/galaxy alignment" in your favor.

James,

Oh I can assure you. We have absolutely discussed this as a likely scenario. But given the amount of documentation on these two cars, including a series of registration paperwork from the previous owners, it seems unlikely.

We too even thought it was too good to be true when we first discovered them. In the paperwork, I did also find paperwork regarding a loan he had taken out from a local bank for the pace car when he picked it up. The price he paid in the early 90's for that car definitely seem appropriate for that time.

Also, we have found some very compelling/damning information regarding the third stolen Camaro; with much of the thanks to some of the fellow members of this forum!

Our biggest obstacle unfortunately falls on the widow whom we purchased these other two from as she may no longer have enough documentation on their old car. But I have some resources out there that may help our cause.

Regarding the state of the current cars, we had to ask ourselves why he would have ever left them in such a state of repair. But, as we have been told, he was just fanatical about restoring his cars as much as he could by hand.

Even though we have quite extensive ownership history on the two we purchased, we definitely want to check all the boxes before moving further!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by dabigpud

I did also find paperwork regarding a loan he had taken out from a local bank for the pace car when he picked it up. The price he paid in the early 90's for that car definitely seem appropriate for that time.

Others likely know more than i do regarding early 90's pricing trends on 69 Camaro's.
But i had both hands on the wheel and fingers firmly on the pulse searching out for an upscale-minty 69 RS/SS in 1987-88 span.

69 RS/SS X22 D80 Blk/Blk Deluxe - 375hp Iron Head - 4spd - Tach Gauges Console plus etc..., #'s ,
Mint restored bottom to top .
$8500

69 RS/Z28 X33 D80 was either Orange or White/Orange Dogbite - Endura - JL8 RWD - Cowl Induction - Tach Gauges Console plus etc.., #'s ,
Mint restored bottom to top .
$10,500

I was a serious candidate on the Black SS.
Shuffled my feet for half a day too long - lost out.

Thought the Z was too far overpriced.
Didn't even test drive it.
Sorry i cant remember if it was White w/ Orange stripes - or Orange w/ White stripes.

Same owner , both cars in same place at same time.
"Big John" Akes of High Point NC if anyone remembers him.

Prices kept climbing up through 92-93 , then things started leveling out / softening for a pretty good while.

I'm guessing 1992 price on that Pace-Vert in good used-unrestored condition was around 25-30k zone - full retail.

PS - ironically , the Faktry Black SS i missed , the guy who bought it immediately color changed it to GarnetRed as tribute to his former car in his high school days.
Just the opposite of what happened to the stolen Garnet car going to Black.

[dabigpud]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Others likely know more than i do regarding early 90's pricing trends on 69 Camaro's.
But i had both hands on the wheel and fingers firmly on the pulse searching out for an upscale-minty 69 RS/SS in 1987-88 span.

69 RS/SS X22 D80 Blk/Blk Deluxe - 375hp Iron Head - 4spd - Tach Gauges Console plus etc..., #'s ,
Mint restored bottom to top .
$8500

69 RS/Z28 X33 D80 was either Orange or White/Orange Dogbite - Endura - JL8 RWD - Cowl Induction - Tach Gauges Console plus etc.., #'s ,
Mint restored bottom to top .
$10,500

I was a serious candidate on the Black SS.
Shuffled my feet for half a day too long - lost out.

Thought the Z was too far overpriced.
Didn't even test drive it.
Sorry i cant remember if it was White w/ Orange stripes - or Orange w/ White stripes.

Same owner , both cars in same place at same time.
"Big John" Akes of High Point NC if anyone remembers him.

Prices kept climbing up through 92-93 , then things started leveling out / softening for a pretty good while.

I'm guessing 1992 price on that Pace-Vert in good used-unrestored condition was around 25-30k zone - full retail.

PS - ironically , the Faktry Black SS i missed , the guy who bought it immediately color changed it to GarnetRed as tribute to his former car in his high school days.
Just the opposite of what happened to the stolen Garnet car going to Black.

Baron,

Good story. That sounds about right. Although I don't know what condition the pace car was in when he first got it, the price does seem appropriate for the time period at $16,500.

Pretty crazy when we think about where they once were and where they have come price-wise!

Ryan

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by dabigpud

Pretty crazy when we think about where they once were and where they have come price-wise!

For Real !
That $8500 RS/SS in 1988 - would have brought $25,000+ just by 1992.
Prices were climbing so fast i was knocked right out of the Market.