Muscle cars + classic car collecting

[Billohio]

did some of the Rivieras have hide away headlights? was it an option or a year made deal?

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">did some of the Rivieras have hide away headlights? was it an option or a year made deal? </div></div>

Rivs had hidden headlights from 1965-69.

[StealthBird]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StealthBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Charley, contact me at [email protected] if you'd like to obtain an accurate version of a 1966 window sticker.
That appears to be a PHS version you have, lots of issues on that one. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Mike </div></div>

I like the PHS one. There is no mistaking it for a real one... </div></div>

Charley, the PHS ones are very inaccurate, and are easily discernible from an original window sticker.

Here's an original 1966 window sticker for comparison. You can see the font on the PHS version is wrong, the line spacing and character spacing are wrong, and it's missing details like the tax line at the bottom. Also, look at the boxes just below the area around the &quot;MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE&quot; line verses the original. PHS used a 1968 form for your 1966. The closer you look, the more differences you'll see, like the &quot;FINAL ASSEMBLY POINT&quot; being in the wrong place, etc.

We do extremely accurate and detailed window stickers for show winning, concourse level Pontiacs. Much of our business comes from people that already had a PHS window sticker, but they want an accurate one with all the correct details.

For more info, and to see feedback people have posted, please take a look at my website in my signature. We had 8 Pontiacs displaying one of our window stickers at the MCACN show this year, as well as having them on Pontiacs that have won POCI and GTOAA top level awards. Among some of the rare cars we've done window stickers for are 5 RAII Firebirds, a real 1969 TA convertible, 31 Judges and GTO's (1969-1971), and I just finished one for a Scott Tiemann 1965 GTO. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[Tenney]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">did some of the Rivieras have hide away headlights? was it an option or a year made deal? </div></div>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d612coV5AVA

[black69]

The only way I would think those more accurate window stickers are ok, would be if there is something in the paper stock that makes it obvious it is a fake. Maybe on the back, there is a light stamping of reproduction, that does not bleed to the front.
Or make the overall size 5-10% off from what a correct one is. Nobody would generally tell that difference at a car show, but when authenticated, it becomes an easy detection method. Right now, I am not a fan of what I am seeing being done. The non PHS one looks too real.

[StealthBird]

I think there's a misunderstanding here. The example I posted above IS an original 1966 window sticker compared to a PHS reproduction, not to one of our reproductions. I was merely using this as an example to show that PHS ones are inaccurate, in response to the earlier comment that &quot;PHS ones look correct&quot;.

The window stickers we make http://www.musclecarfilms.com/PontiacWindowSticker.html simply have all the details that the PHS ones lack. Our reproductions could NEVER be confused with an original window sticker. We're simply bringing a better, more accurate reproduction to the hobby. It's no different than when poor quality, inaccurate reproduction parts are offered, and it sometimes takes years before someone steps up and makes a better, more accurate reproduction. That's what we did. Pontiac people have been disappointed with PHS versions, and we're raising the bar for quality and accuracy. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[black69]

Back on the 'big car' topic, I was at my neighbor's house yesterday (original hemi cuda owner), and he definitely likes the big cars. I shot a few pics of what he is up to. He is helping me with an engine for a vette.

What is suprising to me, is that I think GM maybe copied some ideas from Chrysler when I look at his car. His 57? desoto has a <span style="font-style: italic">subframe just like a camaro or chevelle</span>, and it has a VIN stamp right by the heaterbox. I dont think GM or ford had a subrame concept in practice this early.

[Billohio]

my 61 300G has a subframe. The rear attaches in a trough.I was surprised a big car was built like this. I am about ready to pull mine from under the body and get it cleaned up

[black69]

Yeah I have to wonder if Chrysler had a patent on the front subframe and GM was eyeing it to do past a 7 yr timeframe when a patent expires. Sorry to have included the chevelle in my earlier post, I can only think of the camaro as having a front subframe at the moment.

I got the thumbs up/sideways from the wife on buying the triple black project eldo below. Plan would be to pitch the front wheel drive trans, and run a corvette torque tube right through the car (not too big of a hole in fire wall, structure of the body stays intact), and put the 84 and up corvette rear end (subframe) in it. That idea is not mine, it came from a friend. He said to put a paddle shifter in it, I would want a 4 speed on the floor, linking up to the corvette trans in the back. She definitely likes the looks of the triple black eldo all done, so thats good for me at the moment, to get my big car fix.

[markinnaples]

Sounds like a wild project, cool.