Muscle cars + classic car collecting

[StealthBird]

I think there's a misunderstanding here. The example I posted above IS an original 1966 window sticker compared to a PHS reproduction, not to one of our reproductions. I was merely using this as an example to show that PHS ones are inaccurate, in response to the earlier comment that "PHS ones look correct".

The window stickers we make http://www.musclecarfilms.com/PontiacWindowSticker.html simply have all the details that the PHS ones lack. Our reproductions could NEVER be confused with an original window sticker. We're simply bringing a better, more accurate reproduction to the hobby. It's no different than when poor quality, inaccurate reproduction parts are offered, and it sometimes takes years before someone steps up and makes a better, more accurate reproduction. That's what we did. Pontiac people have been disappointed with PHS versions, and we're raising the bar for quality and accuracy. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[black69]

Back on the 'big car' topic, I was at my neighbor's house yesterday (original hemi cuda owner), and he definitely likes the big cars. I shot a few pics of what he is up to. He is helping me with an engine for a vette.

What is suprising to me, is that I think GM maybe copied some ideas from Chrysler when I look at his car. His 57? desoto has a <span style="font-style: italic">subframe just like a camaro or chevelle</span>, and it has a VIN stamp right by the heaterbox. I dont think GM or ford had a subrame concept in practice this early.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is suprising to me, is that I think GM maybe copied some ideas from Chrysler when I look at his car. His 57? desoto has a <span style="font-style: italic">subframe just like a camaro or chevelle</span>, and it has a VIN stamp right by the heaterbox. I dont think GM or ford had a subrame concept in practice this early.
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From the pics, that's a 1961 Chrysler, which is a Unibody. Chrysler Corp started with this in 1960 (save Imperial, which joined in '61, I believe).

[black69]

Agreed, its a unibody with front subframe. GM appears to not have done this in a similiar configuration until the camaro and nova, 7 yrs later. If you are a GM guy, you got to give props to Chrysler showing it could be done first.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you are a GM guy, you got to give props to Chrysler showing it could be done first.
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Wasn't the Corvair Unibody?

Citroen did it in 1934. Giving props to Chrysler would be a mistake.

[black69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you are a GM guy, you got to give props to Chrysler showing it could be done first.
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Wasn't the Corvair Unibody?

Citroen did it in 1934. Giving props to Chrysler would be a mistake. </div></div>

Yes the corvair is a unibody, it also used a rear subframe and carried a light little engine, an all this happened in 1960, same time as Chrysler. My point was as far as mounting a large heavy V8 engine using a substantial subframe to a unibody shell, <span style="font-style: italic">out in front</span>, appears to me atleast to have been done by Chrysler first in 1960. I also dont think the rear subframe of a corvair had to work as hard supporting any body components, if at all.

GM would have had no other example to look at when they designed the Camaro to hold a 396/427, other than a Chrysler. I could be wrong. I really never knew this myself, until the other day, and I do have a Camaro [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]