Motion Nova????

[Charley Lillard]

Can we stop with the Joel bashing. If Joel didn't have any docs on the Chevelle but later it had them it could be that someone did more digging and found a prior owner etc. if you have facts, state them but don't put out stories that some guy said etc.

[ronebee]

I worked with Joel Documenting the Moray GT when I owned it, was it easy? No. did he say it was one of his right away? Nope, But when I found the guy who painted it the wrong color originally ( A bass boat green metallic, he sprayed the yellow over grey primer, DUH!) and when I found the guy who put the interior in the Car (Dondee, good guy, still in business) he remembered the car. Listen, I just turned 50, there are things I can't remember I did yesterday, and when I talk to people about, uhm, "events" and stunts I pulled in the 80's and they say, "Ron! Do you remember when you did that?" I can honestly say it takes a couple of days to jog my memory. Joel is a Good Cat and a legend. Honestly, chasing down info on this car was AWESOME! It was like openning up the Hands of Time and peeking back into these folks lives..I have two cars now I'm trying to document, one I believe to be a motion Car, but I wouldn't approach Joel with it yet, I don't have enough info yet....(then I gotta figure out this 68 roadster that I think is a yenko car, but that's another story)...I agree with Charlie, I think Joel is a good cat, I enjoy the time that I have spent with him and the stories, The Stories! Wow....

[NovaMob03]

Ron, what you've just described is really the crux of the matter when documenting a real Motion Perf built car....and that is that JR apparently did not keep all invoices for work they performed, but relies on photographs, NICB or perhaps input from others in his shop that may remember a particular car.
It also appears that, at least once, money has been sent for possible confirmation (Rich's Camaro) & there was no response (I'm assuming the check was cashed). It's also apparent that at least 1 car got a verbal 'no', then later confirmed and I understand how that can be possible. But, very inconsistent and particularly for that seller
It's a question of the factual 'paper trail' evidence vs present day photographic/hearsay evidence and JR's memory and paying for letter printed on his stationary...perform your due diligence, know that real documentation matters and caveat emptor

Also heard thru the grapevine that the Iowa/ebay Chevelle with all the Motion evidence got a maybe letter and not a full confirmation...what does that really mean [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can we stop with the Joel bashing. If Joel didn't have any docs on the Chevelle but later it had them it could be that someone did more digging and found a prior owner etc. if you have facts, state them but don't put out stories that some guy said etc. </div></div>

Charlie I have done nothing more then state the facts as they have been made public through ebay ads, and the current owner on that chevelle. And yes I have had family dealing with Joel and there has been the same song and dance as other people have recieved. NO ONE new about the car in question, but damm there was a hefty offer from a phone call a few weeks later. The truth is if you run with the right crowd things can happen for you! And this is not just in the automotive world. JMHO!