1969 427 camaro copo?????

[AutoInsane]

Well the POP plate definitely has a value to you as the owner of the car. $5,000 sure is a high number. Perhaps the realistic price should be on the order of $500 ??

While I can understand your frustration I would try and keep up the communication with the guy who has the POP.

Good luck!!

[parkbrau]

That is bunk. Holding PoP hostage for 5K.

[iluv69s]

I am not sure of the circumstances, but I do not see the difference in selling the original protecto plate or selling the original motor to someone´s car. It is great that some people have given the original paperwork to a car to the owner free, including myself, but I have also paid dearly(gladly)for original documents for my prior cars.

Although 5k seems rather high for the protecto-plate, it definitely is worth a considerable amount as the only piece of actual documentation for your car.I do not know how much more your car is worth with the protecto-pate, but it definitely would make your car much rarer and desirable as a COPO with docs.

I would be saving my pennies and trying to arrive at the guys door with a cash offer. just my opinion...

Good Luck!!

[olredalert]

----Yes,,,The price is steep. The part to remember here, though, is (according to Ronnie) the POP was promised to him for nothing. A promise is a promise. Whoever you are out there, live up to your promise, and Ill bet if you do Ronnie would gladly help you out with your other problems if he can......Bill S

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not sure of the circumstances, but I do not see the difference in selling the original protecto plate or selling the original motor to someone´s car.
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The difference is that an engine has an intrinsic value to not only the car it belonged to, but to other cars as well. A POP is of value only to the car it belonged to originally.

If the present holder of the POP can't get Ronnie to buy it, there isn't really a market for it. No one out there is going to pay anywhere near that asking price for it.

[iluv69s]

I understand your point Steve, but,my point was that the protectoplate definitely has some value....

Although this is not the case with this car, I think that maybe the protecto-plate is very valuable to a car since a COPO with a non-original correct motor is worth more than a COPO with no motor...

and a COPO with a non-original protectoplate is worth no more than a COPO with no protecto-plate. This is the only protecto-plate in the world that is correct for this car. Many cars have changed hands for top dollar that have correct non-original motors. And it seems that the cars that bring all the money are the original cars <span style="font-weight: bold">with documentation</span>.

Did I just confuse everyone with this explanation??

I also agree if the fellow promised him the protecto-plate for his car back in the day, he should give it up free.

[ronnieredline]

well you see, he didnt really promise anything to me, he just said he would, now i know he has it because he wants money for it, 5000 to be exact.

i didnt go after it because he said he would give it to me about 5 yrs after i left it in his shop. back then i didnt even know what it was, i thought it was an old credit card or something who knew, i was about 20 or so.about a yr or so back i called him up and he said he had it, well you know what???

i am going to go look at it and make sure its even the right one? this is something that he should bring to light, first i have to have him prove it to me, that it is the right one, you see he should tell me what it says, i have the numbers from the POP plate on my engine, trans and etc....
so if he tells me what the numbers are on the POP plate and they match my engine and trans, then it would be the one i need, but he doesnt know for sure its even mine right??? i know for a fact he worked on alot of camaros and corvettes in his day.

one thing nobody knows on here but me, the VIN to the car, the numbers on the trans and most of you dont know the body number, you might because i have a photo of the cowl tag, but NO-ONE KNOWS THE VIN OR THE TRANS NUMBERS ON HERE AND YOU MIGHT THINK YOU KNOW THE ENGINE PAD NUMBERS, BUT DO YOU REALLY? HAVE YOU SEEN A PHOTO OF THEM? NOPE, BECAUSE THERE ISNT ONE. its been at the shop since ive discovered what was up with them ,and even they wont call me back now??? ive called them 3 times. next is a trip up there to see it or get the block back home, ive had it with service in this country, ive been ripped off by a drywaller and now a roofer, both of them just did it half ass for the money, no quality what so ever.

anyone wanna play poker with my POP plate? show me your hand because im not folding.

SO IF YOUR READING THIS, GIMME THE NUMBERS AND I WILL TELL YOU IF IT IS THE RIGHT ONE, PROVE YOUR POINT OR I DONT WANT IT! ! !

if you want 5000 grand for it, prove it first, or you dont have a thing to argue about. not a leg to stand on. its worthless to ou to even have it, especially if you dont know for sure its even mine???

if your reading this then put your POP plate where your mouth is and i will put my money where my mouth is.

maybe i should contact the police, if i can prove this is mine then he is kidnapping my POP plate ?? ! ! ! he never owned the car, what right does he have to it??
if its mine and i have the reciets for him working on my car and i can prove it went to my car, then he stole it while working on my car when i was a school kid, he knew i didnt care back then, he probably didnt know what he had until he read this whole post.
its ok, karma is a real skeleton in the closet buddy.

how about growing a set, and posting a photo of it on here???
you might just blow everyones mind huh?? try us and find out! ! !
if you want your money show me the proof,
now let me see it.
see ya

[ronnieredline]

hey iluv69s

im not sure what you meant , but i have the original trans and engine and rear diff for my car?
i didnt take it wrong, i just think you dont understand, im being nice , im not mad at you, i have everything to the car except the POP plate. so he has to give me the numbers to prove it.
so do i really even need the POP plate for 5000, uh lemme think uh NO!!! not for 5000 huh?
i think that i have it all except the small part, the POP plate,
so where does a guy draw the line ? ive been told i dont even need it appraised or certified because of all the stuff i have on and with the car? its to believable not to believe it??
lemme know what ya think k?
thanks

[sYc]

You said he was behind in his bills, which could translate into him about to lose everything. With that as a motive, I can see where at one point he said he would give you the POP, (when in a better financial situation), but now wants $$$ for it. Would any of us give up something of value when faced with a similar situation?


And BTW, if I were him, every time I read one of your rants, I would double the price.

[iluv69s]

Hey Ronnie....this thread alone proves that your car is absolutely real..although there will still be doubters. I would absolutely pay an authority(who´s naeme I cannot state here) to document your car before you do any resto work.

Because of the many fake COPOs out there people will always be skeptical. I believe with this documentation by a reknown authority, noone will doubt your car´s authenticity.

As far as the protecto-plate, I believe it would make your car just that more desireable over another COPO without docs. It seems the cars with all original drivetrain, correctly restored AND WITH REAL DOCS bring all the money. No-excuses cars.

I would get the Protecto-plate before having your car documented, because there are a bunch of fake protecto-plates out there also. Have the protecto plate documented also as the real thing. just my opinion...

also, I dont think you are serving yourself well by ranting so much about the curret possessor of your protecto-plate. Be cool and give it some time...maybe he will come to his senses and lower the price...kindness is priceless sometimes...

Good Luck