E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[1969z280]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO140</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I had the opportunity to purchase the car prior to Bergy and did have certain parts of the car inspected although I did not personally inspect it and swiftly passed based on the information I was given. The car is a REBODY in my opinion. I believe that once the firewall is gone, the non-public vins and TT are gone, the car is a rebody. There are many here who agree with my opinion, just search the term &quot;rebody&quot; and read through countless threads. I also understand that the term &quot;rebody&quot; is subjective and opinions will differ. And btw, dont put words in my mouth. I never said the body wasn't original only that in my opinion it was not likely and if it is, where is the proof? </div></div>

...woulda, shoulda, coulda? Maybe you're inspector should have looked a little longer. I'm pulling for Bergy on this one! Oh yeah and he's a paid member. Ed

[Jeff H]

An interesting thread to say the least! But my first thoughts were &quot;if the hidden VINs both don't match the VIN tag, isn't this an illegal transfer of VIN and couldn't Bergy be in danger of having the car confiscated by the authorities?&quot; I don't understand how this car could have even been legally sold in this situation, especially through Ebay. It seems like Bergy is running a huge risk by not checking the other hidden VIN immediately. It also seem like there should also need to be some photographic evidence of original and replacement VINs showing the firewall repair to ever authenticate this body as the original Yenko body. Way too many people seem to be taking sides without looking at the real legal picture going here. I hope this works out well, but I see potentially serious issues here that should be resolved quickly, not 3-6 months down the road.

[bergy]

I certainly don't take your concerns lightly Jeff. This car has been in its current configuration for at least 20 years. If it was repaired with a partial cowl in 1985 as I believe, the vin tag was re-attached then. You are correct, it's not a good situation, but we all recognize that rusted out cowls are replaced during restoration all of the time (with the vin re-attached). I don't take this lightly and I will move for a judicial declaration as to the propriety of this vin being attached to this car as soon as I have sufficient evidence.

[talwell]

Quite a dramatic day of exchanges between a few people - the one thing that sticks out to me despite all these exchanges is that not a single fact or evidence towards either side has been exchanged.

Bergy - please continue your exploration as it will lead to the truths despite what anyone wishes to believe is thier truth. I love the fact that you want to bring this car back to day one and chronograph the entire history of it to prove what it is and what it isn't. I have no doubt that based on the evidence you have provided to this point that this is most certainly a special car - either it was a COPO donor or it is still mostly the original Yenko body. In my eyes, even if the firewall is replaced and attached to what is the original Yenko car that this is still the Yenko car. I just sold my COPO tribute car that had every single body panel replaced and I still feel that it is the original SS big block car that it was produced as even with having replaced all the sheet metal - the shell is still there and to that end it is still the original car it was produced as.

This is kind of like a human involved in a tragedy - if all thier skin is burned off and grafted from a donor and they received a face transplant from another donor in the end are they a different person or the same prior to all the transplants?

[PeteLeathersac]

Considering Bergy's the only one in a position to compare any of the speculative information with the vehicle itself, his statement a few posts above admitting he's aware the Vin tag itself has actually been loose at some time may be the first conclusive fact revealed here yet!?

Regarding any legal issues, besides obvious concerns for the vehicle and parts in their current state or how they may have become as they are now, if a request for information regarding an accumulation of vehicle parts especially when including a specific Vin is publicly advertised, if any crime has ever been actually committed and those who know truths take part in discussions about it but only volunteer part of any information they may know, could this be considered aiding and abetting?.
Or would this only apply if questioned by someone of legal authority and/or later in a court of law?.

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~ Pete

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I just sold my COPO tribute car that had every single body panel replaced and I still feel that it is the original SS big block car that it was produced as even with having replaced all the sheet metal - the shell is still there and to that end it is still the original car it was produced as.

This is kind of like a human involved in a tragedy - if all thier skin is burned off and grafted from a donor and they received a face transplant from another donor in the end are they a different person or the same prior to all the transplants? </div></div>

We've been down this road many, many times. It reaches a dead end when we invoke the image of Schoneye's face on Pam Anderson's body. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif[/img]

[COPO PETE]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>
We've been down this road many, many times. It reaches a dead end when we invoke the image of Schoneye's face on Pam Anderson's body. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif[/img] </div></div>
Ya, but you can still put a bag on it and enjoy it!
Peter

[Schonyenko2]

Nice. Real nice. I don't bother anybody and get dragged in by example.(big smile, can't find the gramlins)
I think it will be interesting to see how pieces are spliced on. Usually if car was hit as described by the previous posts in that time era, it was front, or back halfed. Rarely was there an effort to graft pieces on a firewall as it took to much time. Looking at how the car was repaired can tell us a lot as to what the intent of the person/s were when the car was repaired. FWIW

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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[sYc]

Regardless of how the stamped numbers got there, how do you rectify the problem? The VIN plate does not match the stamped/hidden numbers, a serious problem both legally and in our hobby.