68 Yenco clone

[original owner]

Respectfully to Tom, as to your last post, all my info, is from chev, or the car's themselves. I take the info I gave on R.E. 68 yenko clone, with my first hand info, having owned and raced a new 68 yenko for 2 years, and I don't joke about it. What 67 69 chev 427 hydro lifter engine had 410H.P and 425H.P. what was the L numbers? yenko rated them at that. yenko also over rated all his engines. A 68 69 l72 at 425H.P. became 450H.P.most pro. racers ,quater mile, used 4 speeds, as I did because they were faster.Never came close to losing to one, refer to original feature car, dec 2004, and first place winner stickers on rear window. NEVER lost in 2 years, my camaro was 8016# And I stand by my statement that all 68 yenko's should have been 4 speeds, auto cars had hydro lifter motors and were much harder to modify, and had less factory H.P. I worked for chev, on the dealer level from 72 to78, and also got a lot of my info from the factory people, As I was at manger level. chev, still stands on they facts about the zlx 427, that they never sold parts or motors, right or wrong, as they were not allowed to.(no medium sized cars with over 400 C.I) but they did, thats what yenko was all about.To Jason and Wayne Iam sure there are sharp cookies on this site, but how old are they, did they own one of these cars in the day, when new, and did they modify them and race them as thats what they were for? Or do they just read second hand accounts, and books? I did it in 68 69, for real. How many on this site have done that? Sharp cookies are good , not alway's right, as no one is, but they are hard to swallow. Thanks for listening, my yenko was my 6th muscle car. and the fastest by over 3/4 second. Bob Krueger.

[sYc]

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Respectfully to Tom, as to your last post, all my info, is from chev, or the car's themselves. I take the info I gave on R.E. 68 yenko clone, with my first hand info, having owned and raced a new 68 yenko for 2 years, and I don't joke about it. What 67 69 chev 427 hydro lifter engine had 410H.P and 425H.P. what was the L numbers? yenko rated them at that. yenko also over rated all his engines. A 68 69 l72 at 425H.P. became 450H.

<span style="color: #FF6666"> Actually Don Yenko did not overrate his engines, rather, being the wise business man he was, he simply went with what NHRA factored them in at, which was a higher figure.</span>



P.most pro. racers ,quater mile, used 4 speeds, as I did because they were faster.Never came close to losing to one, refer to original feature car, dec 2004, and first place winner stickers on rear window. NEVER lost in 2 years, my camaro was 8016# And I stand by my statement that all 68 yenko's should have been 4 speeds, auto cars had hydro lifter motors and were much harder to modify, and had less factory H.P.


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My point was not to say a auto would our run a stick car, too many factors to consider there, but simply to state that in ’68 GM had a very solid auto, which in ’69, coupled with the same L-72 solid lifter engine as the 4 speed car got, was a very good combo. Even today, with better street tires, on the street, the auto will run with the stick car, due to traction issues. I say this not from reading books, but from first hand knowledge of racing a 1969 Yenko (auto) for 13 years in factory stock trim. On the strip, with slicks, then the stick has an advantage. Even then the stick car better be darn consistent, as our car is, or ???
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I worked for chev, on the dealer level from 72 to78, and also got a lot of my info from the factory people, As I was at manger level. chev, still stands on they facts about the zlx 427, that they never sold parts or motors, right or wrong, as they were not allowed to.(no medium sized cars with over 400 C.I) but they did, thats what yenko was all about.To Jason and Wayne Iam sure there are sharp cookies on this site, but how old are they, did they own one of these cars in the day, when new, and did they modify them and race them as thats what they were for? Or do they just read second hand accounts, and books? I did it in 68 69, for real. How many on this site have done that? Sharp cookies are good , not alway's right, as no one is, but they are hard to swallow. Thanks for listening, my yenko was my 6th muscle car. and the fastest by over 3/4 second. Bob Krueger.

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As per my expertise, and where I got my information, here goes. A. from a large stash of original Yenko paperwork, B. as founder and president of the Yenko Sportscar Club and Supercar Registry, I have been fortunate enough to get to have numerous conversations with original owners, former employees of Yenko and former employees of Chevrolet (including Jim Mattison), C. as host of the Annual Supercar Reunion, I have been up close and personal with many, many Yenko built cars, many on the drag strip D. for the past 13+ years myself and son Rob have actively been racing a 1969 Yenko Camaro, auto, in the Purestock drags as well as numerous nostalgia events. In addition, I have played with several other interesting cars (in the early '70s a '69 Z-28, last few years Red Alert LS-6 Chevelle, survivor L-78 '69 Camaro 4-speed, dealer installed 427 '69 auto Chevelle, etc, ) and a few other Yenkos, ranging from a Stinger Corvair to a SCCA Roadrace Camaro to a 1969 427 Yenko Nova, am presently redoing a ’69 Yenko Chevelle, a ’71 Vega and a ???

By no means do I claim to be an expert on Yenko, or drag racing, far from it, but I do think I do have a basic understanding of both. As I do all orignal owners, I respect and welcome your input, but that does not mean I will not question any info that I feel is incorrect.

In closing, Labor Day weekend is the annual Super Car reunion, where on Friday we rent Gateway International Raceway for a day of drag racing, where anyone with a “supercar” is welcome to attend. You have my personal invitation to attend and show us “sharp cookies” how it is done. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/[/img]
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Hi Bob.

Before you start questioning some of our ages and equating that to knowledge, you should perhaps do some research. Or ask. Plenty of us have (considerable) racing experience, and plenty of us are old enough to have first hand experience in the era you’re speaking of. Chevrolet openly sold pieces to build the ZLX. It was no secret. It was simply an L88 with iron heads. If you scroll upwards a page or two, you’ve been proven wrong with regard to the ZLX and I still maintain you’re wrong about L36 passenger car engine use in Medium Duty trucks (which for this site is considerably off-topic). Your errors here are beginning to cast a shadow on some of your other statements. And if we’re all collectively wrong and you’re right, the onus is upon you to prove us wrong. Provide us with real facts backed with hard documentation. Otherwise, your entire first hand story is beginning to sound a lot like faded memories, wishful thinking and most likely an abundance of conjecture.

Basically, I call BS.

Wayne Scraba

[Xplantdad]

Also to add to what Wayne has said...there is an original owner of a ZL-1 Camaro on this site...and also an original owner of a 1969 Yenko Camaro as well...

See these features:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...332#Post168332

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...436#Post202436


So, yes, there are a few that &quot;were around&quot; at the time.

The features also make for some GREAT reading I might add! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[sYc]

And do not forget Ray Morrison, who just happens to be an orignal owner of a 1968 427 Gibb/DH Nova, who paid for his car drag racing. BTW, a factory L78/AUTOMATIC.

[SuperNovaSS]

As for me, I'm just a youngin'. I am not arguing your first hand accounts. You know what you have seen and done. It just seems that some of the research you have done is erroneous.


Jason

[original owner]

Gentlemen and cookies, I think it's great to agree to disagree. wonderfull? And I am glad that there are more original owners still out there, I feel old enough as is.I do think that its importent to know what 427 engine yenko put with his auto. trans. camaros.? What 427 chev. engine. hydro lifter, app. 400 h.p. from chevs ratings, is it? What L#, can anybody tell me,the only one chev listed then and now is the L36 390-400, 4barrel, 3,2;s, chev rated H.P. Had one in a 69 vette ,390 hp. 4 barrel, 4speed, almost no where to go to add hp. As to proof of the chevy fact's on the zxl or L36, just google it up , almost to much info, those are FACTS from the manufacture, and Wayne zxl had alum. heads look it up, if there's bs,its on the bottom of your shoes. AS I said for proof, just look up on this site, feature car dec 04, and read the repleys and look at the pictures.I am the good looking guy in picture 1, with the sunglasses, white t shirt, holding the first place trophy, next to the green yenko.(northstar dragways Mn. 1968. thats proof!) The guy I gave those pictures to and about 25 other's never returned any, 2nd owner after reso. I think. If theres any question on any thing I have said, I would certainly answer then and were I obtained the facts. I do not BS, dont need to. have not been around muscle cars for a long time, moved on to airplanes after my retirement. 36 years in the car bussines, most as used car manger, started with chev in the early 70's, just a few years after yenko build his 70 nova's. And I had a lot of talks with those men in the R.and D.dept. and 2 had worked on the project that put the drivetrains in the yenko and other's car's, that only about 3 years after the cars were built. I have more info .on the yenko project, but first we have to settle down the doubting thomas's . People on this site like to list the cars they have had, so here goes 1, 1962 bel air red coupe 4speed 409 2 4 barrels. 2,1963 chev biscayne 2 door post , silver, 4 speed 327 340 hp,390 rear end. 3, (my favorite) 1965 pontiac gto post, red,tri power 4 speed 360 hp ,370 rear end. 4, 1966 chev. vette convert, blue, white top327 350 hp. 5,1967 chev corvette 427 l71 3-2's 435 hp.maroon, t top.6, (only new oneI bought) 1968 chev yenko camaro, green, 4 SPEED,ys 8016# 450 hp. builtd up to over 600 by me and a friend. 7, 1969 pontiac GTO, 4 speed 400 350 hp dark blue same int, hood tach. ralley wheels. 8,1969 chev vette 427 390 hp(L 36 thats the one I talked about)8, bought in 1981, 1970 chev z 28 LT1 360 hp? 350,
4 speed ,red, black, stripes, ralley wheels. nicest driving chev I had, but not the fastest. And about 4 other ones that I bought as used car manager, for wholesale and sold for retail a short time later 1,1970 ford torino g.t.? orange, large black stripe down center of car,hood scope attached to carb big block 390 428 429 not sure, it was a ford, didnt pay it any attension.2, 1970 chev vette coupe,very low miles, 350, 300 hp. 4 speed charcoal, aqua int.3, 1968 olds 442 dark blue, 4speed,350 hp. texas car.4, 1967 pontiac. GTO blue 4 speed 400 350 hp. ralley wheels. well thats enough you get the picture. Now who can come up with the L# of the 427 hydro lifter motor, 427, that yenko put with his 67 and 69 camaros, that had around 400 chev, rated hp. And I do take remarks like I was wrong, very well, thank you Bob krueger

[SS427]

So did you call Bill and check with him per our discussion and what was his reply?

Hey Bob…

I don’t see anything in your prattle that looks anything remotely close to hard evidence of fact. It’s all personal chest beating and braggadocio. You might be able to fool the fools in some places, but I’m quite positive you won’t get far with this crowd using those tactics.

For all intents and purposes, you’ve called me a liar for doubting your convoluted version of fact and not taking everything you say as Chevy gospel. That sir is pathetic. I suggested you prove what you’ve stated by way of hard data. I haven’t seen anything from you other than rambling self promotion. And after reading the above tedious retort from you, it all looks rather like make believe.


Wayne Scraba

Hey Bob...

Aside from the 340 Horse 327 Biscayne, I'm interested in #5 on your list: &quot;1967 chev corvette 427 l71 3-2's 435 hp.maroon, t top.&quot;

Bet that was an interesting car huh.... particularly the t-top?

Wayne Scraba