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[Kim_Howie]

COUPLE QUESTIONS, I HAVE A NEW CAR AND THE ORG MOTOR WAS BLOWN- UP UNDER WARR. THE MOTOR WAS REPLACED UNDER WARR. BY THE DEALER. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT MOTOR WILL HAVE DEDUCTIONS BECAUSE IT NOT THE ORG MOTOR. IS THAT CORRECT?? NOW IF I HAVE A RESTAMPED MOTOR THERE ARE NO DEDUCTIONS. IS THAT CORRECT??

[ORIGLS6]

It always appeared to me that the NCRS standards enabled a certain faction of the hobby/business to try and perfect the restamping process, then on to recreating documents. Yes, you see that type (maybe even the same people) in the Musclecar area now, but "in my opinion", mainly because the NCRS allowed it. I have friends in the NCRS and many of them don't like it any more than I do.
I'm a stubborn old goat but I still feel 'Real is Real and Fake is Fake'.

[juliosz]

Kim, my understanding of the NCRS rules regarding your question are: You would receive a full deduction on the pad automatically if the casting date on the block was on or after the build date of the car. If the block was dated before the vehicle build date, the owner could stamp the pad with the correct information but would probably get a deduction for the lack of broach marks. This is assuming the pad was decked to remove the service pad stampings.

[Kim_Howie]

I wish I could figure out how to put a picture up . I have a pic of my 66 mossport green 425 car. The pic was taken at the 1988 Bloomington Gold in Ill.

[ORIGLS6]

Send it to me. I'll post it.

[Enoch]

I have been in the restoration business since 83 as my full time profession. 80% is NCRS Bloomington Gold work. The only orginization that has a judging standard that comes close is the Through bred (SP?) for mustangs. The NCRS is the only orginization that has detailed judging manuals for each year car and those manuals are updated regularly. The hours of research is staggering.

ASLO they have printed materials to help educated people on restamps, fake paper work and trim tags. I have asked many time for help to ID a camaro trim tag or get a data base for GM stampings and the answer is always the same BS "we don't want the people faking the tags to get better." That don't cut it. If folks would have put the info out the fake tags would have been done. They did it for vettes and now everyone can tell a fake tag!!!

Also the corvette hobby has always been 10-15 years ahead of the rest of the GM muscle cars. So if the GM car guys are smart they should take the best from what the vette guys have to offer and put it to use.

Like allowing for factory documented CE block cars beng able to get top honners instead of promoting restamping. I have lots more to say on this subject but will stop there.

Rich

[sYc]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enoch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

.....Also the corvette hobby has always been 10-15 years ahead of the rest of the GM muscle cars. So if the GM car guys are smart they should take the best from what the vette guys have to offer and put it to use.

Like allowing for factory documented CE block cars beng able to get top honners instead of promoting restamping......

Rich </div></div>

That is something within the sYc we have tried to do. Example, a couple of years ago, at CVF, where Vette judges and their system was used, a member's Chevelle was not allowed a Gold Spinner because of a CE stamped motor, even though there was supporting documentation as to when/where/why the engine was replaced. The subject was discussed on this site, with the show manager involved.

[al8apex]

^ seems only fair, at least to me ... ^

IF you had all the papers, the car is what it is

But I am not one of those that needs to have the hose clamps aligned correctly on his car ...

Don't get me wrong, I APPRECIATE seeing a car like that, I just can't imagine having that level of ambition ... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[Belair62]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enoch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been in the restoration business since 83 as my full time profession. 80% is NCRS Bloomington Gold work. The only orginization that has a judging standard that comes close is the Through bred (SP?) for mustangs. The NCRS is the only orginization that has detailed judging manuals for each year car and those manuals are updated regularly. The hours of research is staggering.

ASLO they have printed materials to help educated people on restamps, fake paper work and trim tags. I have asked many time for help to ID a camaro trim tag or get a data base for GM stampings and the answer is always the same BS &quot;we don't want the people faking the tags to get better.&quot; That don't cut it. If folks would have put the info out the fake tags would have been done. They did it for vettes and now everyone can tell a fake tag!!!

Also the corvette hobby has always been 10-15 years ahead of the rest of the GM muscle cars. So if the GM car guys are smart they should take the best from what the vette guys have to offer and put it to use.

Like allowing for factory documented CE block cars beng able to get top honners instead of promoting restamping. I have lots more to say on this subject but will stop there.

Rich </div></div>

See,now that is excellent information. If I am reading you correctly then the issue of fake docs, POP's etc are dealt with at judging ?? I would think ownes by now would be afraid to even present a fake POP to judges. Thanks to the Corvette judging standards there are a lot of very high quality , correct reproduction parts available that have fitment across Chevrolet's car lines.

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Interesting discussion going on here. Just wondering, I understand the presence of a POP booklet being necessary for judging points, but does it go further to require that the numbers stamped on the plate must match the car?