Ebay POP

[Belair62]

Well Mark, I never got into NCRS. All I know is what I read. And if you are into NCRS like it sounds I would imagine you call out all the fake POP, restamped blocks etc that you can pick out in under a minute as you say ? Let's hope so. I wouldn't really care to walk around an NCRS meet with you but thanks. Sounds like fun. Why don't you educate us all right here and tell us how to pick out a fake POP ? Maybe you can show us the one you bought and point out the differences ?

[737Driver]

Bob,

You know, full well, I'm not going educate you or anyone else about what is real and what is not here on this website. I've said...come on down instead of running your mouth about things you know nothing about. It would be fun, as you have said, but, you would rather throw stones instead of going to any trouble to learn about things you know nothing about.

I hesitate to get into it with someone who is as popular as you about a controversial subject but, so be it. What have you read, specifically? Tell us all, specifically, what you know about NCRS. You have already said you never got in it but you somehow know what they stand for, how they think, what they know. Please enlighten us. I've got the courage to come to this site and involve myself and enjoy myself among fellow Camaro enthusiasts. I have never seen you post on the NCRS site. Have you ever posted there?

Bob, please accept my invitation to come to Charlotte. Come on down and meet fellow enthusiasts, like yourself. I truely believe you can clear up some ignorant, uninformed misconceptions. If you do, I believe you will be honest enough to write about your experiences here for the membership.

Regards,

Mark

[Belair62]

Running my mouth ? If you read my post it says "Never understood why the NCRS is OK with fake POP's and build sheets and re-stamps. In fact it seems like it is encouraged. Oh well. Some things never change." I don't think that is throwing stones at the NCRS is it ? By your own comment about your purchase of a fake one because they "deduct" for not having one I have to ask you since you are an expert.Why did you feel the need to buy one ? Why do they deduct for NOT having a POP ? It seems like you are pretty much forced into buying a fake one if you are not in posession of an original and are after those big points. I don't know what they "stand for" Mark and I don't really feel the need to visit the site when I could just ask here. Why don't you be the ambassador for the NCRS and clear up the ignorant and uninformed ? Do they deduct for a known fake POP ? Do they deduct for a known restamped block ? Do they deduct for a fake tank sticker ? As for my "popularity" that is really irrelevant and also questionable !!I haven't been around in 2 years. Let me ask you one simple question...if there is a 435 horse car at an NCRS event with a fake pop, a fake tank sticker, a restamped block, and just a beautiful "numbers matching" car...how would that car score at an NCRS event ?

[737Driver]

Let's take it one step at a time.

Expert=X(unknown factor) spert=(drips under pressure)

NCRS asks for a POP because they were included in the new car delivery paperwork as it exited from the back of the assembly plant.

That is why they deduct because NCRS judges Corvettes based on how the car was delivered and it was delivered with a POP.

If you do not have the original you can either buy a reproduction POP or take the deduction for not having one.

You do not feel the need to visit the site because you would rather blather about things you know nothing about.

I don't need to be the ambassador, I have invited and offered to pay for you to experience NCRS firsthand.

If, in the opinion of the judges, they feel the block is restamped, a deduction will be divided between the pad surface and the stamping(s) itself.

Tank stickers are not asked for nor judged during judging but, there are several knowledgeable folks that will readily offer an opinion on any and all paperwork. Please, if you have any paperwork you would like to have observed, bring it to Charlotte.

No...you are a popular fellow here, and rightly so. Why you haven't been around in two years is none of my business...I'm glad your back. Why don't you come to Charlotte and tell me what you want me to know.

As for your last question, if the unit appears original, NCRS will judge it based on that appearance. With that being said, it would be difficult to pass off anything other than an original during National NCRS judging. If you know, specifically, one that has, please let us know...specifically.

[Belair62]

Mark....so far you have insulted me on each post on this subject. I'm not running my mouth, blathering or any other BS that you are writing here. But thanks for your responses anyway. Fake POP, re-stamps, fake paperwork are just an invitation to fraud and in my uninformed opinion, has no place in the hobby. The average shmuck out looking to buy a decent car is not as brilliant as the experts and will take the fake crap at face value. Be it a Top Flight car,a Chevette or a Rambler. I think that was the intent of this thread.The EBay ad states.."THE DISCERNING CORVETTE COMMUNITY SINCE 1988. BACKED WITH YEARS OF NCRS JUDGING HISTORY AND A MEMBER OF NCRS SINCE 1979" That's why I questioned why NCRS was so willing to accept...but I guess it is the discerning car owner who would rather present fake documentation than take an honest deduction.

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Belair62</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark....so far you have insulted me on each post on this subject. I'm not running my mouth, blathering or any other BS that you are writing here. But thanks for your responses anyway. Fake POP, re-stamps, fake paperwork are just an invitation to fraud and in my uninformed opinion, has no place in the hobby. The average shmuck out looking to buy a decent car is not as brilliant as the experts and will take the fake crap at face value. Be it a Top Flight car,a Chevette or a Rambler. I think that was the intent of this thread.The EBay ad states..&quot;THE DISCERNING CORVETTE COMMUNITY SINCE 1988. BACKED WITH YEARS OF NCRS JUDGING HISTORY AND A MEMBER OF NCRS SINCE 1979&quot; That's why I questioned why NCRS was so willing to accept...but I guess it is the discerning car owner who would rather present fake documentation than take an honest deduction. </div></div>

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[old5.0]

I don't pretend to know anything about NCRS. I do, however, have a car buddy who was very involved with them years ago with his 62 fuelie car and his 65 396/425 car. He eventually bacame disgusted with the entire process, sold his 'Vettes, and now messes with 409 big cars.

We were at his place driking beer one night, and the conversation turned to 'Vettes. He said &quot;You know, I think there may be more NCRS gold 435 horse cars than Chevrolet built in the fiirst place.&quot; Whether that's accurate or just the beer talking. I don't know. But I know there had to be something questionable there for him to give up on those cars entirely. I don't know, that's all conjecture, so take it for what it's worth.

[737Driver]

Bob,

Quit whining about being insulted. What are you talking about? Quit being a victim. You are only a victim of talking about an organization and what they represent from a standpoint of someone that has NEVER personally experienced the organization.

Bring your judgemental backside to Charlotte and then you can speak with firsthand experience instead of secondhand rumor.

I'll give you a tour of the US Airways simulator training center. I promise, you will crash and I promise you will meet a group of people that can give you an education all the while you are returning the favor. I will show you some of the finest cars and people you could ever hope to meet...just like we have here.

Just quit talking and come on down. By the way, your PM box is full. Either clean it out or call me at 859-612-9121

[Belair62]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 737Driver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bob,

Quit whining about being insulted. What are you talking about? Quit being a victim. You are only a victim of talking about an organization and what they represent from a standpoint of someone that has NEVER personally experienced the organization.

Bring your judgemental backside to Charlotte and then you can speak with firsthand experience instead of secondhand rumor.

I'll give you a tour of the US Airways simulator training center. I promise, you will crash and I promise you will meet a group of people that can give you an education all the while you are returning the favor. I will show you some of the finest cars and people you could ever hope to meet...just like we have here.

Just quit talking and come on down. By the way, your PM box is full. Either clean it out or call me at 859-612-9121

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Whining , victim ? The only victim would be the guy who bought a car with a fake POP. No one questioned what a great group of car guys your members in NCRS are. I appreciate all your efforts to school me Mark. But I know enough thank you. And if I ever get down to US Air I will bring my son. He can land a 747 at Chicago Executive.