proper yenko rebody? (in new hemmings)

[talwell]

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If you move the trim tag, the Vin# to another body. It's a rebody.
If you don't move anything to another body, it's not a rebody. I think that's simple.

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I fully agree - if the trim tags are not removed and attached to another shell it is not a rebody. The trim and vin tags can be removed but reattached to the same shell. The shell can undergo any form or major reconstruction as long as the original shell is being used and the tags are not moved to another shell.

Here are some pics of my car - even though we replaced every single major body panel it is still not considered a rebody as the original shell was used and the tags were not transferred.







Here is the end result of a non-rebodied car:

[jbsides]

That car looks awesome.

So the conclusion I am getting is that, when I take a COPO firewall with rear framerails attached and apply the rest of the vehicle around it, it will be accepted as a "restored" COPO?

Just asking...

[talwell]

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That car looks awesome.

So the conclusion I am getting is that, when I take a COPO firewall with rear framerails attached and apply the rest of the vehicle around it, it will be accepted as a "restored" COPO?

Just asking...

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Yes, this would sound accurate. As long as you are not transferring those tags to a new body / shell your car would be considered a restoration not a rebody.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

So what is left of the ORIGINAL car other than a piece of firewall and some tags? Technically, it isn't the same 1969 Camaro anymore.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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That car looks awesome.

So the conclusion I am getting is that, when I take a COPO firewall with rear framerails attached and apply the rest of the vehicle around it, it will be accepted as a "restored" COPO?

Just asking...

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Yes, this would sound accurate. As long as you are not transferring those tags to a new body / shell your car would be considered a restoration not a rebody.

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as long as your TT and VIN are attached to the firewall and frame rails you are transferring to the donor body it is not a rebody. WTF am I missing here?

(sound of canned worms getting opened)

[L78steve]

This is obviously a Grey area. The more a car is worth the farther one will go to save it. For me the majority of the car would have had to be intact prior its resto. and rivets never removed before I would consider its purchase.

[WILMASBOYL78]

I understand the argument about retaining the original cowl with tag and VIN...but, when all of the other parts are replaced it just isn't the same car anymore. If it weren't for the big bucks involved this probably wouldn't be an issue...

My father used to have an expression that kind of covers this...he would say.." why don't you just take off the radiator cap and drive a new one underneath it"

wilma

[talwell]

Maybe we are misunderstanding him so lets ask this again:

What exactly do you have that is from a production COPO car and what is your intention with those parts? What do you need to do with these parts to be assembled back into a complete shell for restoration?

[RichSchmidt]

I know where there is a RS COPO car right now.It has been a race car since 1971.It has the original VIN in the dash,the firewall ends under the windsheld.The floors and frame rails are gone from the toe boards to the tail panel.The firewall with all the hidden VIN's are gone.,The front subframe was cut short at the firewall,and a tube frame built from there back,has the area under the engine cut out and rack and pinion steering installed.The car has the original rockers,roof with inner structure,rear quarters and tail panel.All the bolt on sheet metal is fiberglass now.Original engine/trans/rear.suspention ect are all long gone.If this car were to turned up restored using the metal that remains including fixing the original front subframe what would you classify it as.It would need one of those full floorpan/firewall assemblies,inner and outer wheehouse,the 1/4's would have to be unradiused,and a donor subframe would have to be used to fix the original.

I also have reason the belieive that I know where Grumpy's 68 Camaro is,and it is modified to this extent and is on a tube frame and has no VIN or firewall at all.Would that car be saveable?

[talwell]

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I know where there is a RS COPO car right now.It has been a race car since 1971.It has the original VIN in the dash,the firewall ends under the windsheld.The floors and frame rails are gone from the toe boards to the tail panel.The firewall with all the hidden VIN's are gone.,The front subframe was cut short at the firewall,and a tube frame built from there back,has the area under the engine cut out and rack and pinion steering installed.The car has the original rockers,roof with inner structure,rear quarters and tail panel.All the bolt on sheet metal is fiberglass now.Original engine/trans/rear.suspention ect are all long gone.If this car were to turned up restored using the metal that remains including fixing the original front subframe what would you classify it as.It would need one of those full floorpan/firewall assemblies,inner and outer wheehouse,the 1/4's would have to be unradiused,and a donor subframe would have to be used to fix the original.

I also have reason the belieive that I know where Grumpy's 68 Camaro is,and it is modified to this extent and is on a tube frame and has no VIN or firewall at all.Would that car be saveable?

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Rich-

In my opinion if what you say is still there could be saved and built around to assemble a completed shell I would call that a restore - not a rebody. In my eyes a rebody is when a completely seperate body has the trim & vin tags transferred to it - and that body having been another car at some time and now being represented as the original car that the tags came from. Lets not mention Dynacorn bodies - besides teh terrible quality any of those shells that finds a period VIN or trim tag is criminal and illegal.