Stolen 71 Challenger found after almost 30 years

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Could be. But if I was going to the trouble of having a new tag made, I would have at least changed it to a more desirable color.

[MultiMopars]

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Could be. But if I was going to the trouble of having a new tag made, I would have at least changed it to a more desirable color.

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My thought as well.

[Johnny Horsepower]

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Could be. But if I was going to the trouble of having a new tag made, I would have at least changed it to a more desirable color.

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My thought as well.

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Paint is a little more expensive to change

[buddy whittington]

fact.a new fender tag was put on this car. fact . it was not the true way this car was optioned when new. how many more are there? who else paid for it? i have the orig photos and proof that it was different! another fact, theese people moved a car with a RED FLAG ALERT on it. they knew what they were doing. i emailed govier back in 98-9 with the vin and warned about the theft two different times, plus called 2 or 3 more! a computer forensic specialist foud the entry in NCIB data base. the ncic is for current entrys. afterwards they are purged into the ncib for statistical purposes for the FBI.the story refers to fender tags to show how a car can become altered for many reasons; ex; add a sun roof , or super trac pack, shaker hood!!! and WAY UP goes the value of that car! point is a 30k car can get a nice 30k boost with some nice options. __bottom line_$$there is so much that did not make the news!! Buddy Whittington <font color="blue"> </font>

[old5.0]

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fact.a new fender tag was put on this car. fact . it was not the true way this car was optioned when new. how many more are there? who else paid for it? i have the orig photos and proof that it was different! another fact, theese people moved a car with a RED FLAG ALERT on it. they knew what they were doing. i emailed govier back in 98-9 with the vin and warned about the theft two different times, plus called 2 or 3 more! a computer forensic specialist foud the entry in NCIB data base. the ncic is for current entrys. afterwards they are purged into the ncib for statistical purposes for the FBI.the story refers to fender tags to show how a car can become altered for many reasons; ex; add a sun roof , or super trac pack, shaker hood!!! and WAY UP goes the value of that car! point is a 30k car can get a nice 30k boost with some nice options. __bottom line_$$there is so much that did not make the news!! Buddy Whittington <font color="blue"> </font>

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Spill the beans. Sites like this are a great way to get the real story out to people who actually give a damn about the cars. Unless you're unable to for legal reasons.

By the way, I'm glad you found the old girl. Awesome work on your part.

[buddy whittington]

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Christopherson, sounds like a snake, glad to see this car cwent back home, would love to know the options and color of this car, I looked at a gold 6 pack challenger years ago that had bean messed with, gold and black, it had no fender tag at the time but had the shaker hood, you could see the tag had bean removed day's before I seen the car? scared me. Rich

[/ QUOTE ] ill get the info out when i get a little more time ...U NO .... holidays, BUDDY WHITTINGTON

[buddy whittington]

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fact.a new fender tag was put on this car. fact . it was not the true way this car was optioned when new. how many more are there? who else paid for it? i have the orig photos and proof that it was different! another fact, theese people moved a car with a RED FLAG ALERT on it. they knew what they were doing. i emailed govier back in 98-9 with the vin and warned about the theft two different times, plus called 2 or 3 more! a computer forensic specialist foud the entry in NCIB data base. the ncic is for current entrys. afterwards they are purged into the ncib for statistical purposes for the FBI.the story refers to fender tags to show how a car can become altered for many reasons; ex; add a sun roof , or super trac pack, shaker hood!!! and WAY UP goes the value of that car! point is a 30k car can get a nice 30k boost with some nice options. __bottom line_$$there is so much that did not make the news!! Buddy Whittington <font color="blue"> </font>

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Spill the beans. Sites like this are a great way to get the real story out to people who actually give a damn about the cars. Unless you're unable to for legal reasons.

By the way, I'm glad you found the old girl. Awesome work on your part.

[/ QUOTE ]NO TIME TODAY.. WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ? ILL DO MY BEST .. BUDDY WHITTINGTON

[buddy whittington]

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"This story is the kind of thing that makes people THINK that an items like a fender tag has some kind of LEGAL signifigance. I can assure you that it does NOT."


New York Law



§ 421. Sale of a motor vehicle, trailer or part thereof with changed
identification number.



1. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling motor vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, shall be presumed to have determined and to know the original vehicle identification numbers and special identification numbers on any motor vehicle, trailers or parts thereof purchased or sold by such person, both at the time of purchase and sale.



2. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling motor
vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, who sells or offers for sale a
motor vehicle, trailer, or part thereof, the original vehicle
identification number or special identification number of which shall have been destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed, without having complied with regulations promulgated by the commissioner, shall be guilty of a class E felony.



3. Any person, other than a person engaged in the business of buying
or selling motor vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, who knowingly
sells or offers for sale a motor vehicle, trailer, or part thereof, the
original vehicle identification number or special identification number of which shall have been destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed shall be guilty of a class E felony.



4. For the purposes of this article, the term "original identification number" shall mean any number embossed, engraved, etched, affixed to a label, sticker or plate or similarly marked on any part of a motor vehicle, trailer or vehicle part which is assigned by the manufacturer for the purpose of identification of that particular motor vehicle, trailer or vehicle part and the location of which number is made available to the public.

[/ QUOTE ]LOOKS LIKE THE LAW SEES IT AS ANY NUMBER EMBOSSED OR STAMPED.. A DOOR STICKER OR FENDER TAG WOULD APPLY HERE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, FALSELY ALTERING THE OPTION TAG TO INCREASE VALUE AND THEN SELLING IT AS REAL IS OUTRIGHT FRAUD! <font color="blue"> <font color="blue"> </font>

[old5.0]

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fact.a new fender tag was put on this car. fact . it was not the true way this car was optioned when new. how many more are there? who else paid for it? i have the orig photos and proof that it was different! another fact, theese people moved a car with a RED FLAG ALERT on it. they knew what they were doing. i emailed govier back in 98-9 with the vin and warned about the theft two different times, plus called 2 or 3 more! a computer forensic specialist foud the entry in NCIB data base. the ncic is for current entrys. afterwards they are purged into the ncib for statistical purposes for the FBI.the story refers to fender tags to show how a car can become altered for many reasons; ex; add a sun roof , or super trac pack, shaker hood!!! and WAY UP goes the value of that car! point is a 30k car can get a nice 30k boost with some nice options. __bottom line_$$there is so much that did not make the news!! Buddy Whittington <font color="blue"> </font>

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Spill the beans. Sites like this are a great way to get the real story out to people who actually give a damn about the cars. Unless you're unable to for legal reasons.

By the way, I'm glad you found the old girl. Awesome work on your part.

[/ QUOTE ]NO TIME TODAY.. WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ? ILL DO MY BEST .. BUDDY WHITTINGTON

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You said that there was so much that didn't make the news. I was wondering if you could share some of that. No pressure, no rush, it's just curiosity on my part.

[RichSchmidt]

Buddy,a trim tag or fender tag is not part of a stamped or embossed method of identifying a vehicle since the codes on these tags are shared with other vehicles that could have identical tags.If it doesnt have the exact VIN of the vehicle on it,it is not an identifying tag.Changing a trim tag is no more an offense as installing a 454 emblem where a 307 emblem used to be.To put this into perspective,you could buy a pontiac firebird,change all the sheet metal to chevy camaro metal,put camaro emblems all over it and as long as the title tag and hidden vin's all match up you are perfectly legal.

There would be some slightly gray area here though.One area would be a tag that had both the VIN and option codes on it.If such a tag were replaced with a replica and carried the original VIN but new option codes things could get messy.An owner could say that the original tag was damaged to the point it was almost unreadable,and was duplicated from what could best be derived.As far as tags that dont carry the VIN,there are few laws against it.

As for that law in Ok. it doesn have much teeth other then in the collector car world since anybody can simply walk into the DMV and change the color of the vehicle on a title.Some states require that you have pictures of the car in a new color,but even thats a scam since if you repainted the car to hide the fact it is stolen of course you will have pictures of it in the new color.