69 Charger Find

[442w30]

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How can you possibly THINK that if there were Canadian built /6 Chargers shipped that they would not appear in the same production book that shows MANY others with Canadian shipped figures? Remember, GGs figures came straight from Chrysler Corp.


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I have many of the same items from Chrysler that Galen does. They only list US-spec stuff. This is par for the course, as I have mentioned before. Canadian and export numbers were kept differently so they are not in the same documentation.

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What started all of this was your questioning the figures I posted as accurate.


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No, what started it is that you posted production figures from Galen's book, and I added that those numbers were for US-spec cars and they should not be inferred as being complete.

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Just EXACTLY what is it that you have posted that indicates there were any more than the 467 cars shipped?

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Um, because my 2001 edition of the same book, which I posted above, shows the numbers to be US-spec cars only? And since I am interested in production figures, I try to be on the up-and-up with them?

Here's another way to think of it:

69,142 "base" Chargers were built in TOTAL
462 were built with the /6 for the US
65,068 were built with the V-8 for the US
For US-spec cars, there were 65,530 "base" Chargers built.

But what is this? We have Galen's Chrysler docs saying that 69,142 "base" Chargers were built in total - why the difference?

Because 4,074 "base" Chargers were sold to the Canadian and export markets. Those cars could have anything from the /6 all the way up to the 383-4.

[MultiMopars]

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How can you possibly THINK that if there were Canadian built /6 Chargers shipped that they would not appear in the same production book that shows MANY others with Canadian shipped figures? Remember, GGs figures came straight from Chrysler Corp.


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I have many of the same items from Chrysler that Galen does. They only list US-spec stuff. This is par for the course, as I have mentioned before. Canadian and export numbers were kept differently so they are not in the same documentation.

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What started all of this was your questioning the figures I posted as accurate.


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No, what started it is that you posted production figures from Galen's book, and I added that those numbers were for US-spec cars and they should not be inferred as being complete.

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Just EXACTLY what is it that you have posted that indicates there were any more than the 467 cars shipped?

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Um, because my 2001 edition of the same book, which I posted above, shows the numbers to be US-spec cars only? And since I am interested in production figures, I try to be on the up-and-up with them?

Here's another way to think of it:

69,142 "base" Chargers were built in TOTAL
462 were built with the /6 for the US
65,068 were built with the V-8 for the US
For US-spec cars, there were 65,530 "base" Chargers built.

But what is this? We have Galen's Chrysler docs saying that 69,142 "base" Chargers were built in total - why the difference?

Finally something that makes sense, however you STILL offer no source for any other cars shipped that you are indicating SHOULD be considered.

Another thing to keep in mind, MANY cars that were EXPORT sales were never exported as they were sold through the military bases for scheduled delivery in the US when overseas assigned GIs returned home to the states. So my GUESS is that a lot of the "number discrepencies" would be accounted for as such that SHOULD be accounted for as US spec'ed. They would actually be US spec'ed cars even though they were considered export cars.

If You think that Chrysler's production numbers where do you think GG got his Canadian numbers that he lists? He only indicates the production figures as be provided by Chrysler Corp.

You didn't answer my question about the last sentence of #3 of your KEY.

[442w30]

Steven, can you help me? I know you're a Mopar guy but I'm at a loss because
I've tried to lay it out.

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Steven, can you help me? I know you're a Mopar guy but I'm at a loss because
I've tried to lay it out.

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The only help we need here is for you to answer directly to all of the direct questions I have aked that remain unanswered.

[442w30]

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The only help we need here is for you to answer directly to all of the direct questions I have aked that remain unanswered.

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Not only has it been answered by me, but you also answered your own question in a previous post.

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The only help we need here is for you to answer directly to all of the direct questions I have aked that remain unanswered.

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Not only has it been answered by me, but you also answered your own question in a previous post.

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Here are the questions and comments I have been asking from the onset.

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Those numbers are from Galen Goviers book on production figures and he does not show any others for non US porduction as he does with others from the same book. Do you know something he doesn't? Those figures came directly from Chrysler.

You answered NO to this.

YOU SAID:There are no definitive Canadian or export figures in his books. Notice the "S" and the "T" indicators by each stat? Have you seen the key to see what they stand for?

Yes, there are. There are many examples of "C"s throughout the book indicating Canadian shipped cars. In fact, my book shows for 1969 Chargers, 29 Canadian shipped Hemi R/Ts, 4 Canadian 500s, and 49 Daytona for 1969 production. The absence of a "C" in the /6 production numbers means there were NONE for these /6 Charger being discuss shipped to Canada. He indicates in his remarks that "E" indicates shipped export cars but there are none indicated throughout my book, and as I posted above may account for the missing figures YOU commented on.

YOU SAID:Um, because my 2001 edition of the same book , which I posted above, shows the numbers to be US-spec cars only? And since I am interested in production figures, I try to be on the up-and-up with them?

Not until page 4 of this post did you finally post the above that I had been asking for additional CREDIBLE source disputing what I originally posted. This may have been what you were using but you never IDENTIFIED it as such. It does NOT show anything different that what I have been saying. You are assuming that since there are no "Cs" shown for Canadaian shipped /6 cars that there MAY have been some, which is not what GG is showing in his books as I explained above. Also, you indicated that you have other source material that GG also had but never offered to show what it was. Just because you SAY SO means nothing with out some kind of CREDIBLE back up.

The REAL unanswered question STILL and has been from the beginning is, just EXACTLY what is it that you have posted that indicates there were any more than the 467 cars shipped? The only thing that you have posted are the very SAME figures I started with. The only thing you have said differently is that the figures I posted were indicative of US shipped cars only. I believe I have offered CREDIBLE proof that there WERE Canadian shipped cars from the info above.

Have you noticed the continual use of CREDIBLE used throught my posting in this thread? Just show me some CREDIBLE source that show what the numbers are of OTHER /6 1969 Chargers that you seem to think were built and the discussion can be put to bed.

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Give it a rest already.

[442w30]

I think I can pinpoint the part of your confusion:

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The absence of a "C" in the /6 production numbers means there were NONE for these /6 Charger being discuss shipped to Canada. He indicates in his remarks that "E" indicates shipped export cars but there are none indicated throughout my book, and as I posted above may account for the missing figures YOU commented on.

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You are incorrect in inferring that a lack of detail on C or E numbers means there are none.

Posted here for your perusal is what Galen has - it's a production figure report (in this case, for a 1969 Barracuda):



This list is for US-spec cars only. This is how Chrysler kept records. Were Canadian cars kept by Chrysler of Canada? Possibly, which is why it's so hard to find info on Canadian numbers, if not export numbers. If you're so sure that the lack of Canadian /6 numbers in the book means none were built for Canada, why didn't Galen indicate Canadian figures for every other car in the book?

And have you noticed that the Canadian figures in the book are mainly Hemi cars?

There are plenty of Mopar people who can back me up with this. You need to chalk this as one of those "Damn, I was mistaken all this time" episodes, which happens to me on occasion.