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11-12-2009, 04:17 AM
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Re: yenko camaro
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How out of shape would a 6-bbl car have to be to be taken by a 4-bbl car, because from *my* vantage point (from the opposite lane!  ) those are 2 *very* different animals! Honestly, it ain't the 4-bbl cars that keep me awake at night...  [/ QUOTE ] How out of shape, you ask?? Very...... MB [/ QUOTE ] last I checked, I thought L88s had a 4 brl, but yet the 435hp engines had a 6 brl setup...so please tell me the logic there ..(could a rejetted 4brl actually be ok?). Would my 69 camaro L78 be that much better off with the 3 dueces? Innocent question, fill me in. [/ QUOTE ] There is a world of difference between those two engines. The L88 was rated under the tri power 427 to keep the people that wanted to buy the highest rated h.p. from buying the L88 which was not a street engine. It was a race engine with a "true" h.p. of around 560. 12.5:1 comperession, HUGH cam, BIG carb, cowl induction. Think race Hemi competitor. The engine didn't even have a fan shroud and would over heat under 45 mph. 
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#2
11-12-2009, 04:59 AM
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Re: yenko camaro
I am not a Mr. Norms expert but I do know that the 1968 GSS 440 Darts were built by Dodge then sent to Hurst/ Campbell for the 440 install then sold exclusively by Grand Spaulding Dodge. Its my understanding Mr. Norm had to show Dodge that a 440 could fit in that Dart before they would build it by installing a few 440s in his Darts?
I see Mr. Norm in the same view as Baldwin Motion in that they were both tuners and would modify your car anyway you wanted? Grand Spaulding Dodge did it all in house and Baldwin sent the cars down to Joel is the main difference I can see? Don Yenko with his relationship with Chevy and National network of 19 or 20 Yenko authorized dealers was in a different league it seems to me???
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#3
11-12-2009, 05:32 AM
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Re: yenko camaro
I would believe they are in a different league also.Motion wasnt a dealer of new cars. They were a high performance shop as was Mr Norm. Yenko was a dealer. He sold his own cars maybe I'm wrong but from what I gather the YENKOS already had most of the work done to the as they were COPOs except for the 67-68s. Maybe I'm wrong.Could someone shed a little light on this for me? I dont mean to hi jack the thread but I've wondered this for a while
 
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#4
11-12-2009, 08:15 AM
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Re: yenko camaro
Baldwin/Motion was a colaboration between dealer and independant performance shop.
Mr. Norm's was the largest Dodge dealer in the country not only selling performance cars but major State contracts for fleet vehicles. It was actually a physically tiny dealership that rented space all over the neighborhood to store cars. They did in house dyno tuning and both Mopar and aftermarket upgrades. The dealership was actually an old coverted gas station. Yenko started by installing new crate 427s in cars the factory would not install them in until he discovered that he could order them that way through the COPO program. Any dealership in the country COULD have done the same thing as these guys did. Mr. Norm's Grand Spalding Dodge had the advantage over all the others simply because he was located in the largest city (Chicago) of all these other dealers.
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#5
11-12-2009, 06:03 PM
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Re: yenko camaro
Motion Performance also was a converted gas station at one point. Motion Performance gave a wriiten guarantee with each vehicle Tha it would run 11.5 seconds and 120mph in the 1/4 mile with an M/P driver or they would refund your money.Never had to pay back a cent. They were the fastest and had the record books to back this claim.With all due respect to all other builders, makes and models I feel BALDWIN MOTION Supercars are unparalled. Yes , the MOPARS,and fords and all other dealer conversions were awesome but none were as bold to give a guarantee as MOTION did.Also MOTION wasnt a dealership they were an independent Hi Performance shop. They housed no new cars for sale unless they bought them for themselves prepped them and sold them. But, even then were sold as a used car, Baldwin/Motion cars were sold NEW only through Baldwin Chevrolet. I think that there is quite a difference between MOTION and Mr Norms Grand Spaulding Dodge. But, Its just my opinion.
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11-12-2009, 11:45 PM
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Re: yenko camaro
I can not comment on what Mr. Norm was pumping, but in Baldwin, we only had the finest Hooker Gas available.
 Free traction enhancing cinder blocks with every fill-up!! 
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#7
11-13-2009, 12:19 AM
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Re: yenko camaro
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I can not comment on what Mr. Norm was pumping, but in Baldwin, we only had the finest Hooker Gas available. Free traction enhancing cinder blocks with every fill-up!! [/ QUOTE ] GOOD ONE  I started a new post in the "OTHER MUSCLE" with a bio on Mr. Norm's for those of you interested.
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