Photos of Proteam's Barn Found L88-Restored

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Pete, the car will not be boxed even if the owner admits its a restamp. A restoration engine is a polite way to say restamp. The judging is based on "appearance" Bloomington/NCRS promotes restoration/preservation. They do not condone counterfeiting.

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Very informative to say the least and I know this is probably a redundant question for the NCRS/Bloomington guys. But how can they not condone counterfeiting, yet accept restamps? A restamp is a restamp, no more, no less. In other circles of collector cars the stamp pad is 1 of the "Holy Grails", you either have it or you don't. What am I missing here?

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Pete, the car will not be boxed even if the owner admits its a restamp. A restoration engine is a polite way to say restamp. The judging is based on "appearance" Bloomington/NCRS promotes restoration/preservation. They do not condone counterfeiting.

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Very informative to say the least and I know this is probably a redundant question for the NCRS/Bloomington guys. But how can they not condone counterfeiting, yet accept restamps? A restamp is a restamp, no more, no less. In other circles of collector cars the stamp pad is 1 of the "Holy Grails", you either have it or you don't. What am I missing here?

[/ QUOTE ] I am with you on the point of the motor being the holy grail, I personally will not buy a car with a restamped motor, thats just my preference. However Tom makes a great point in that there are many great cars/race cars etc. that have had their motors replaced and are restored to factory spec and rightfully so. The problem lies that there is nothing on a Bloomington Gold award or an NCRS Top Flight award that separates a real motor from a restamp and that is what needs to be addressed in my humble opinion. Like Chris said earlier the top collectors know the difference and pay up for it but thanks in large part to the media/auction hype BS and not taking the time to educate themselves a buyer does not have all the information to make an informed purchase.

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Pete, the car will not be boxed even if the owner admits its a restamp. A restoration engine is a polite way to say restamp. The judging is based on "appearance" Bloomington/NCRS promotes restoration/preservation. They do not condone counterfeiting.

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Very informative to say the least and I know this is probably a redundant question for the NCRS/Bloomington guys. But how can they not condone counterfeiting, yet accept restamps? A restamp is a restamp, no more, no less. In other circles of collector cars the stamp pad is 1 of the "Holy Grails", you either have it or you don't. What am I missing here?

[/ QUOTE ] I am with you on the point of the motor being the holy grail, I personally will not buy a car with a restamped motor, thats just my preference. However Tom makes a great point in that there are many great cars/race cars etc. that have had their motors replaced and are restored to factory spec and rightfully so. The problem lies that there is nothing on a Bloomington Gold award or an NCRS Top Flight award that separates a real motor from a restamp and that is what needs to be addressed in my humble opinion. Like Chris said earlier the top collectors know the difference and pay up for it but thanks in large part to the media/auction hype BS and not taking the time to educate themselves a buyer does not have all the information to make an informed purchase.

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Thanks for that reply, that absolutely answers a lot of questions I've had since reading this thread. I'm not that informed on what's acceptible in the Corvette community but this is certainly enlightening. I guess doing due dilligence takes on a whole new meaning regarding Corvettes.

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Pete, the car will not be boxed even if the owner admits its a restamp. A restoration engine is a polite way to say restamp. The judging is based on "appearance" Bloomington/NCRS promotes restoration/preservation. They do not condone counterfeiting.

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Very informative to say the least and I know this is probably a redundant question for the NCRS/Bloomington guys. But how can they not condone counterfeiting, yet accept restamps? A restamp is a restamp, no more, no less. In other circles of collector cars the stamp pad is 1 of the "Holy Grails", you either have it or you don't. What am I missing here?

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There is a very fine line between a restamp and counterfeiting. That line is crossed when an owner passes the re-stamp off as original and the unsuspecting buyer purchases a car that he didn't bargain for. ie the buyer purchases a clone as opposed to a real deal car.

A car's original motor is usually important as it declares a car's pedigree...In this case and in the case of yenko's etc, the original motor is not necessary to declare a cars pedigree. The pedigree is established by the car's VIN.

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Pete, the car will not be boxed even if the owner admits its a restamp. A restoration engine is a polite way to say restamp. The judging is based on "appearance" Bloomington/NCRS promotes restoration/preservation. They do not condone counterfeiting.

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Very informative to say the least and I know this is probably a redundant question for the NCRS/Bloomington guys. But how can they not condone counterfeiting, yet accept restamps? A restamp is a restamp, no more, no less. In other circles of collector cars the stamp pad is 1 of the "Holy Grails", you either have it or you don't. What am I missing here?

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There is a very fine line between a restamp and counterfeiting. That line is crossed when an owner passes the re-stamp off as original and the unsuspecting buyer purchases a car that he didn't bargain for. ie the buyer purchases a clone as opposed to a real deal car.

A car's original motor is usually important as it declares a car's pedigree...In this case and in the case of yenko's etc, the original motor is not necessary to declare a cars pedigree. The pedigree is established by the car's VIN.

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I guess the hard part I have accepting here, is the fact that I personnaly believe a restamp is counterfeiting a car to a certain degree in the first place, be it 1/5 or 1/2 of a cars composure. If the original motor is long gone, why go through the trouble and expense of recreating what once was? The only way I can see this practice as being accepted by the community, is that the NCRS/Bloomington guys put an award on these cars and then they become accepted as the real deal. As I'm seeing this, unless you happen to be an insider and know the real truth about a particular car, you're pretty much on your own. That's a sad state of affairs and practice to uphold in my opinion. I guess it's common practice but I never realized it. Thanks for all the information guys.