lift hooks

[Verne_Frantz]

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SB--Flint
BB--Tonowanda

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Tonawanda also built a # of small blocks.

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Steve,
My question was specifically, were there any '69 DZ motors built at Tonawanda? If so, that might help to answer the question of the lift bracket differences. If not, then I'll go away and let you guys fight it out.
But I will add my common sense view. It doesn't make any sense for the engine plant (which had to hoist the engines onto racks for shipping) to require the vehicle assembly plants to remove 4 bolts, install 2 lift brackets and re-attach them just to get them off the pallet on their way to the chassis.

OK, now I'll shut up.
Verne

[Jerry@CHP]

Here's another survivor engine bay taken about 15 years ago. Don't think this one has been fluffied up.

Jerry

[Jerry@CHP]

Verne,

I have not seen any to date but I think that L. Christensen has. I have seen some 388 blocks used on the 302.

Jerry

[sg1747]

wow,did i start this hole thing over engine hooks.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

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wow,did i start this hole thing over engine hooks.

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You opened a can of worms on this subject,but that's ok because we all learn something new this way which makes this web site so great.

[Steve Shauger]

I have seen a handful of Tonowanda cast blocks( see comments below for clarification) built as DZ 302 engines. As a matter of fact Kenny P's green vintage certified Z28 was in fact a 388 block.

Let me clarify; 388 blocks are known to be cast at the Tonowanda plant. It is fairly common to have say L48 350/300hp assembled, and stamped TOXXX( Block cast and assembled in Tonowanda).

Now in the case 302 I have seen a handful with 388 blocks, however they are stamped VOXXX indicating they were assembled in Flint. So the question really is was the 388 block exclusively cast at Tonowanda (conventional wisdom)? If that is the case then the block was cast in Tonowanda and shipped to Flint for assembly (not sure that makes sense). Or another theory is that in fact the 388 block was cast at Flint in very, very small quantities, at a specific time period.

Verne to answer your question, I have not seen a DZ 302 with a Tonowanda assembly designation, so at this point I only believe they were built/assembled at the Flint plant.

If anyone has Tonowanda assembled DZ 302 please share the information and provide a picture of the stamping.

The attached photo is a 388 block, which are sans the plug in the front. Also notice the assembly /date starts with VO Flint assembly designation.

[Verne_Frantz]

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I have seen a handful of Tonowanda built DZ 302 engines. As a matter of fact Kenny P's green vintage certified Z28 was in fact a 388 block.

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Well, in that case gentlemen, instead of arguing over plain or painted lift hooks, you might make a list of which ones are Flint & which ones are Tonawanda. As I said, the order of assembly and paint was different at the two engine plants.

Verne

[RamAirDave]

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=141893

From JohnZ:

"Tonawanda had two completely separate V-8 lines - one complete system (machining and assembly) for small-blocks, and one for big-blocks. ALL big-blocks were built at Tonawanda. However, on the small-block line, they only built hydraulic-lifter engines, and didn't have the added machining stations in the small-block cylinder head line to add the unshrouding cut in the chamber wall required for 2.02" intake valves.

All small-blocks with solid lifters (and the few hydraulic-lifter engines that used 2.02" valves, like the L-79) were built at Flint V-8, which had the unshrouding-cut stations in their cylinder head lines."

[Steve Shauger]

Survivor front engine lift hook.

[Jerry@CHP]

I think there is enough data here to clearly say that the engine lift hooks can be either painted or unpainted. No fluff in that statement.

The last photo that I posted here was from the Brandenburg car which is in the beginning of my '69 Camaro fact book. 22,000 survivor mile car that has been in Baltimore since new. Factory chambered car too.

Has not been flipped many times and has only had two owners in 40 years.

All 302 engines that I've examined have been assembled in Flint, and all had painted engine lift hooks. No Tonawanda that I've documented. I'll ask Larry C.

Jerry