Barrett Jackson COPO Camaro

[iluv69s]

I dont think that one can blame the vette guys for the re-stamps of the Camaros. Chevelles,etc....The fact that they were first is a simple matter of economics. They were the first cars to be worth the effort ($$$) to obtain a restamped motor. The Camaros, Chevelles,etc. were just waiting for the values to go up.

At the Camaro Nationals in Carlisle, can a Camaro get a top award in the judging competition if the judges cannot tell it is a restamp?? If the restamp looks perfect??I suspect very few people admit that their motor is restamped even if they knew!!! So what other method is there for the judges?? If I put used or NOS parts on my car that are absolutely correct, I would not expect my car to be marked down...whether it is the block, heads, air cleaner or any other part...whether it is the original born-with parts or not!!

I have to stick up for the Vette guys here!! jmo

[1railman]

Yea, you sure can't blame the Corvette guys that there are more BE rears today than were ever made.

[m22mike]

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Yea, you sure can't blame the Corvette guys that there are more BE rears today than were ever made.

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They might be stammped to look like a BE.....but try and find the goodies that go inside.
If it were a car I did there would be a bunce of photo's of the inside stuff.
Mike

Mike

[Steve Shauger]

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I dont think that one can blame the vette guys for the re-stamps of the Camaros. Chevelles,etc....The fact that they were first is a simple matter of economics. They were the first cars to be worth the effort ($$$) to obtain a restamped motor. The Camaros, Chevelles,etc. were just waiting for the values to go up.

At the Camaro Nationals in Carlisle, can a Camaro get a top award in the judging competition if the judges cannot tell it is a restamp?? If the restamp looks perfect??I suspect very few people admit that their motor is restamped even if they knew!!! So what other method is there for the judges?? If I put used or NOS parts on my car that are absolutely correct, I would not expect my car to be marked down...whether it is the block, heads, air cleaner or any other part...whether it is the original born-with parts or not!!

I have to stick up for the Vette guys here!! jmo

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When judging, my opinion:
NOS parts should only be awarded full point, if they match what was used in the original production of the car. Many NOS parts are worthless because they do not represent factory production parts. In fact many reproduction parts are much more accuarte and I feel that they should receive higher point due to accuracy and represent "best available". When possible use I recommend recondition original parts.

Restamping of components permeates virtually all brands and models. Fingers can be pointed, but that resolves nothing except make certain groups defensive.

In many cases restamped components can be detected, but once the restampers learn what the judges look for they hone their craft. Unfortunately you have individual funding the restoration drivetrain companies(restamper) enabling them to perfect their craft of deception. So who is to blame... car owners, judging programs, dealers, hobbyist, take your pick.

Regarding the Camaro nationals when restamped components are detected, the car scores based on that fact and it is noted and documented. It (restamping of components)is in no way embraced or justified. Are restamps undetected of course, but like cars judges are not perfect.

[DarrenX33]

So what is the general thought on the proper way to restore a car that no longer has its original motor, trans or etc..

Do you just get a part that is cast correctly and ignore build stamps and VIN? Or just stamp the build stamp and leave the VIN off? Curious as I am building my motor now for my 70 L78.

[Steve Shauger]

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So what is the general thought on the proper way to restore a car that no longer has its original motor, trans or etc..

Do you just get a part that is cast correctly and ignore build stamps and VIN? Or just stamp the build stamp and leave the VIN off? Curious as I am building my motor now for my 70 L78.

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Stamp it NOM

[Charley Lillard]

Years ago there was a 68 Z28 out here that had the block stamped "MO is at home".

[Hylton]

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Years ago there was a 68 Z28 out here that had the block stamped "MO is at home".

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The guy was smart!


I also agree with Verne with regard to the need to ensure that real, honest and true cars (whether they have been restored or not), need to be held in higher regard then a correct or well "engineered" car has. Judging criteria needs to be re-visited so that Top Flight and gold awards do not go out to BS cars.

There needs to be a class where forensic judging occurs. This means that all body panel dates and stamps are looked at and compared to a library of records and pictures on a computer (laptop) so that a clear conclusion can be made.

Points should be deducted for the re-application of the vin tag, trim tag, re-stamps, non-original body panels and interior parts and so on.....

[SBR]

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Years ago there was a 68 Z28 out here that had the block stamped "MO is at home".

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The guy was smart!


I also agree with Verne with regard to the need to ensure that real, honest and true cars (whether they have been restored or not), need to be held in higher regard then a correct or well "engineered" car has. Judging criteria needs to be re-visited so that Top Flight and gold awards do not go out to BS cars.

There needs to be a class where forensic judging occurs. This means that all body panel dates and stamps are looked at and compared to a library of records and pictures on a computer (laptop) so that a clear conclusion can be made.

Points should be deducted for the re-application of the vin tag, trim tag, re-stamps, non-original body panels and interior parts and so on..... [/quote ]I know that I would welcome that type of judging to help separate the real from the fakes. This would help the hobby in the near and long term.

[Gary L]

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So what is the general thought on the proper way to restore a car that no longer has its original motor, trans or etc..

Do you just get a part that is cast correctly and ignore build stamps and VIN? Or just stamp the build stamp and leave the VIN off? Curious as I am building my motor now for my 70 L78.

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Darren, do what I did. Leave it alone. Leave both the original stamps. Maybe one day the original car to the engine will come along. It will be a dilema for me to give it up.