Survivor ?????

[firstgenaddict]

I think it is in 3 of 4 catergories but I may be mistaken... I have not been into vettes in near 20 years...

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From the stuffy vettedudes with matching cap and shirt site;



Getting SURVIVOR® Certified documents the standard for unrestored vehicles. It means that a panel of judges have certified that the car meets these requirements:

*Is over 20 years old.
*Can pass a road test over 20 miles
*Remains over 50% unrestored, un-refinished, or unaltered.
*Retains finishes good enough to use as a color guide for restoration of a car just like it

Judges inspect only four components: Exterior, Interior, Engine Compartment and Chassis. Cars must pass at least three of these four categories in order to become SURVIVOR Certified.
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.php?link=survivor

Those standards are extremely lax in my opinion. I don't believe many here would call cars in that category "unrestored"!

[firstgenaddict]

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From the stuffy vettedudes with matching cap and shirt site;

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What he said....

[napa68]

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Easy now!!!!!!!!!!!!

[427.060]

One thing that bothers me is when the "survivor" has been all but disassembled and cleaned/detailed like the so called 1970 Benchmark Chevelle. I don't have a problem with cleaning and detailing an original car but there is s stopping point.
James

[Salvatore]

I agree with you guys but you know as well as I do that as time goes on the rules get more and more lax! Just like letting your kids stay out later and later on the weekends. Pretty soon they are coming in at 2 in the morning A "survivor" means to me that it survived! There are less and less of these cars out there so the rules have to become more lax for any participation. I am upset that the second owner of my nova thought there was a knock in the motor and took it apart. He told me that he found nothing but carbon from sitting. Maybe should have taken it down the California free way for a few miles before taking the motor out. What a dope!

[HiHorse]

I can see why a lot of cars get restored, there is a lot of influence/pressure at the shows for mint cars. I for one can appreciate a car that has not been restored. I have left my '69 435HP vette unrestored on purpose and when I take it to shows people ask when the car will receive the restoration it deserves. I've also been told to sell the car to someone that will put money into it. I am the lone ranger and you need thick skin.

[1969l78]

They are only original once, and to me I would rather have a survior-unrestored car then one that was taken apart and only god knows what was really done with it!!!!!! Survivor car's rock!!!!!! And survivor novas are even better.

[TLucas]

The car shall have original paint(75%) and no clear coat. Paint repairs are OK if they are minimal such as wheel lip rust. Original drivetrain is not negotiable. Items such as shocks that are not vin'd to the car may be replaced with NOS or period correct used. This is my personal expectation. When I'm confused I defer to Brian Henderson, Frane Arone, Steve Shauger, and I love bugging Charlie(I've made room for the 70rs in my building). If I can get these guys to agree I know its safe. Any survivor yenkos out there?

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.......and when I take it to shows "people ask when the car will receive the restoration it deserves" . I've also been told to sell the car to someone that will put money into it. I am the lone ranger and you need thick skin.

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those people don't "get it"