Old Motion articles & cars

[COPO]

Dog, super article. What magazine is that from?

[Dog427435]

[JoeC]

I can't figure out what car Oldham is talking about in this article. The pictures look like the one he bought new and there are other 1969 articles on it but no mention of ZL1 power in the other articles?
Also no mention of ZL1 power in the recent Oldham book that has an article on what I think is the same car?

[DarrenX33]

Not the first time I have seen this. In some other mags I have it seems that pictures in the articles got mixed in. Like the article on this car titled "Outrageous". In the article one of the pictures is of a 68 dash.

[COPO]

Joel told me he built one '69 ZL-1 Camaro. You're right about the pics. They seem to get recycled in a few articles.

[427TJ]

They did this all the time. Oldham's Camaro was used in several articles not always about his specific car. Cars Magazine used 1968 photos of Joel Rosen's '68 SS 427 Camaro in articles as late as 1982 when they published a "garage find" story about a different '68 SS 427 Camaro in a special edition magazine. In the '82 article they even implied that the photos were of the "garage find" car, when in fact they clearly were original '68 photos.

What kills me is that Oldham kept his '69 in a frickin' open car port at his apartment building! It got stolen? Well NO SH*T!!! I think Oldham even admits that by parking it in the car port it was only a matter of time until it got stolen. Someone who was there (maybe Oldham in one of his stories) said that B-M cars were practicaly number one on the stolen muscle car list in those days. They'd get stolen and parted-out. No wonder real B-M cars are so rare today.

[Dog427435]

[b]Thanks to Marty Schorr for the straight scoop on Oldham's Camaro:


"Oldham's Camaro was not a ZL-1, it was a Phase III (steel) 427 auto trans SS427 Camaro and it was stolen shortly after it was built for him. It was the car I used for the WANTED poster advt. It was triple-black and ran like a rocket! "
Many thanks,
Marty

[427TJ]

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They did this all the time. Oldham's Camaro was used in several articles not always about his specific car. Cars Magazine used 1968 photos of Joel Rosen's '68 SS 427 Camaro in articles as late as 1982 when they published a "garage find" story about a different '68 SS 427 Camaro in a special edition magazine. In the '82 article they even implied that the photos were of the "garage find" car, when in fact they clearly were original '68 photos.

What kills me is that Oldham kept his '69 in a frickin' open car port at his apartment building! It got stolen? Well NO SH*T!!! I think Oldham even admits that by parking it in the car port it was only a matter of time until it got stolen. Someone who was there (maybe Oldham in one of his stories) said that B-M cars were practicaly number one on the stolen muscle car list in those days. They'd get stolen and parted-out. No wonder real B-M cars are so rare today.

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I need to clarify my post.

"They did this all the time" means that magazines often used file photos (photos in their files from past features) for more than one article and sometimes years later, as in the case of the Rosen '68 Camaro photos, taken in 1968 and used again in the 1982 special edition article. Same photos but two different cars being talked about. It also means that cars were often re-wheeled, re-engined, re-whatevered for subsequrnt articles. See: Carroll Shelby's first Cobra (1962), quickly repainted several times for use in various magazine road tests to imply that there were many Cobras when in fact there was just the one. Joe Oldham's car seems to have been through similar treatment.

My "fricken' open carport" and "Well NO SH*T" comment was not to imply that Mr. Oldham was stupid but to convey my frustration that such an incredible car was stolen and undoubtedly broken up into parts by car thieves, never to be seen again. I have been informed that the car was not in an open carport but in a locked garage that was broken into. I thought I had read years ago that it was in an open carport but it was, in fact, in a locked garage when stolen.

Hope this clarifies what I was trying to get across!