Musclecar Dealers & Low Production Factory Freaks

[69hurstSC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Wouldn't the difference be that the Six Pack was &quot;officially&quot; available, the four barrel engine was not?

[69hurstSC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Wouldn't the difference be that the Six Pack was &quot;officially&quot; available, the four barrel engine was not? </div></div>

http://www.glenwood76.com/Coronet_Pr...65_76.htm#1971

5 motors available on the 71 bee.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Wouldn't the difference be that the Six Pack was &quot;officially&quot; available, the four barrel engine was not? </div></div>

http://www.glenwood76.com/Coronet_Pr...65_76.htm#1971

5 motors available on the 71 bee.
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Well, yeah, I'm aware that they built them. IIRC, the 71 Dodge order guide shows clearly &quot;opt. Super Bee&quot; under the 340 Mag., 440 Six Pack, and 426 Hemi. Under 440 Magnum, it says &quot;Standard R/T, opt. S.E.&quot;, with no mention of the Super Bee.

Additionally, I can't recall ever seeing any advertising mention the 440-4, nor can I recall ever seeing a road test of one, while both exist for the Six Pack and Hemi powered variants.

To me, that adds up to &quot;not officially available.&quot;

[69hurstSC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Additionally, I can't recall ever seeing any advertising mention the 440-4, nor can I recall ever seeing a road test of one, while both exist for the Six Pack and Hemi powered variants.

To me, that adds up to &quot;not officially available.&quot;</div></div>

&quot;In 1971, the Coronet name was used on 4 door Sedans and station wagons. The Super Bee continued on with a &quot;W&quot; VIN code designation but was called the Charger Super Bee. The Super Bee was the only car in the 1971 Mopar performance car line up to have five different engine options. Super Bees were made with a 440-4 bbl for a brief time yet it's companion, the Road Runner, did not receive this motor.&quot;

I'm no expert and I know posting information from another source is always subjective, but regardless of you hearing info about availability its obvious that some people knew the 440-4 was an option.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm no expert and I know posting information from another source is always subjective, but regardless of you hearing info about availability its obvious that some people knew the 440-4 was an option. </div></div>

. . . or maybe the factory built them? The factory has been known to build goofs.

Now back to the '72 Six Pack:

I sent a note to the owner of one of the surviving Road Runners. This is what he said:
<span style="font-style: italic">My Car was built 8 days into production. The 2 Chargers were both very low vin numbers 7 and 46 if I remember right where mine is 5146 or something like that I would have to look at the car to make sure. </span>

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Well, first of all you're using US-spec numbers, which don't include Canadian and export numbers, so I don't know how even the production numbers are.

However, the 440 Magnum was not supposed to be available on the Bee. This is pretty consistent in the life of both the Road Runner and the Super Bee from 1968-70. The '71 Bee with the 440 Magnum is an anomaly for some reason.

To answer Steve, I did mean the '72 - I just don't consider it a freak because it was a production car. The fact that the option was cancelled early-on doesn't make it a freak to me, but I can understand why someone else thinks it's a freak.

Here's some interesting trivia: The '72 Six Pack was not available with a 4-speed!

[69hurstSC]

Splitting hairs thinking the 72 is not a factory freak. To me it falls into the same catagory as the 71 Challenger TA. Advertised but not really available to the public.

IMO the 72 6 Pack Bee's and 6brl RR's are definately factory freaks.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Splitting hairs thinking the 72 is not a factory freak. To me it falls into the same catagory as the 71 Challenger TA. Advertised but not really available to the public.
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The Six Packs were built. The T/As were not. Hence, I don't see them in the same vein.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would assume this means you concede the fact that a 71 440-4 Bee is no more a factory freak than the 71 440-6 Bee?</div></div>

No, because the 440 Magnum wasn't supposed to be available on the Bee, while the Six Pack was. That's why the 26+ cars are anomalies.

[69hurstSC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The Six Packs were built. The T/As were not. Hence, I don't see them in the same vein.
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As Steve pointed out the 72 6pack cars were not built for consumer consumption. So yes, I would put these cars in the same vein as the promotional pictures of the 71 TA Challenger.