1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion
 

Saw this ad on Camaros.net. Ad states that this is a Z/28 coverted drag car with a ZLX motor.

What the .... is a ZLX. And if so rare why not Pheonix this puppy.

Here's the link

Camaros.net ad

Rich

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

Lets see some pics! Hurry!

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Here's an old article from Hi-Performance Cars magazine that should explain. May 1969. It's not the magazine that the ad refers to though.
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just an observation...ZLX heads are cast iron duplicates of the aluminum ZL1 heads...this add states the motor is an aluminum headed motor....if legit, perhaps the ZLX iron heads were replaced....that would be a bummer.....

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From Chevy Action 1975 HOW TO SET UP A 427 CAMARO out of M/P:Chuck H.,who runs out of Millington Pit Stop in Millington Tenn. campaigns this supertrick 69 camaro powered by a phase III ZL/X competition engine complete with open chambered aluminum heads and a pair of Dominator quads.The phase III ZL/X engine is rated at over 600 hp.This car was built for the super/stock and modified production class.This article is for the car that is for sale. Though good info in the previous post the car for sale is not that car. <font color="blue"> [This car has a certificate from M/P and copies of the original work orders plus/]

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Anybody notice that in one of the magazine photos of the Sun tach, it is a 68 steering wheel and dash instruments, thats odd! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
Motown

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This must be it. Chevy Action January1975:
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BINGO.A man that speaks with research.I like that.The only differance is if you'll notice in the article the car was being painted after testing and was painted jet black with red motion type stripes,corvette 427 / motion emblems and still sports that original paint job.Still carries all the original A&amp;A STICKERS ON ALL THE FIBERGLASS and sits as you see it in the article 737 miles

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Tim;
I have that article as well, and I confirmed the car is/was owned by a collector up North?

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I think the question mark should be removed from the subject heading.

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Anybody have a number or a way to get ahold of the owner of this car? I have a buyer waiting.
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

I agree, I don't think there is any question on this car being one of the 'delayed' conversions. I think it was originally a Radio Delete car as well? I think you can see the 4leaf springs, isn't that also an indication of a Z28?

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

Sounds like a Bragin. Tim will you consider a "Very Nice" Yenko Camaro on trade? Check your e-mail your phone has been busy.

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Car has been sold 3 times but only 1 new owner.I've been asked to keep it private. Can't wait to see this car unleashed .P.S. yes Marlin and he has a copy of the car invoice/bill of sale from CURTIS PERSON CHEVROLET.Also Marlin your right it belonged to SIXTIESMUSCLE

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Title fixed.

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The appropriate subject heading for this car should be "1969 ZL/X 427 Phase III MOTION Camaro".

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Kevin, is there something you would like to tell us?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Jim

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

Is this the same car out of Rockmart, GA?

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just looking for some opinions here, not trying to start a war...does the fact that this is not a BALDWIN MOTION camaro but a MOTION camaro with a later conversion, effect the value of the car? (ignoring the fact that this is a ZLX car...cause that puts an entirely different spin on things).... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

Sure. If it was a '69 Baldwin Motion car it would have been over 200K, maybe 250? I don't know of any for sale for that matter, but, I also have never heard of any Motion converted car with this extensive of a conversion,

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Tim, whats the old saying, ya snooze ya loose? Hell, I wasnt even Taking a cat nap! Minutes do count. Enjoyed the conversation, will take your advice about the mindset. Talk to you soon about the other long lost project. Congradulations to the new owner.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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No this one was out of east GA.Matt on these SUPERCARS it usually doesn't go past the first email or phone call.It helps to have or sell unseen SUPERCARS and we have a knack for finding them. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] This was one of my favorites. Thanks Mike Thanks bbdon for posting the article.Now Mike what do I find you to replace that? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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Naturally, the mystique and key for any Motion Car whether it is from Baldwin or others, is that it was performance modified by Motion. A car that was merely sold by Baldwin without being modified by Motion was just another ordinary car. To answer the specific question; yes, a street car sold through Baldwin and modified by Motion is more valuable than a car from another dealer and then modified by Motion.

This ZL/X MOTION Camaro is in a different arena. You can't ignore the fact that this is a ZL/X 427 Phase III 427 with Tunnel Ram and dual 1050 CFM Holley's, which is not something that your average guy off the street would order at Baldwin and drive home. A car such as this that was trailered to Motion by a Racer, for Super Stock Modified Production racing as the story tells in CARS magazine; is in a different market altogether.

Now you can probably guess the new owner.

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I would not call it a Phase III. More like a Phase IV [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Good Luck with the new car.

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Kevin it's got feature car written all over it does it qualify [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ?

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It would have been very unlikely that such a vehicle would have been sold to the public as a new vehicle, through a new car dealership so the scenario of when the work was done wouldn't apply IMO.

Tim,
Can you add a few more phone lines and is the Red Wagon still for sale? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

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Gee Tim I kind of feel clairvoyant about the e-mail I sent you the other day!

Congrats to seller and new owner!

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Pictures?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Jim

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Man is this like an Elvis sighting? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Copolocator is back??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] woooouwooouwooo or was he really ever gone??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Any way good to see that you are still kicking.

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I heard a vicious rumor that was written on the Supercar Registy bathroom wall that copolocator and MotownMadman are one and the same! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Isn't it weird that MotownMadman joined the site I think it was literly the same day that copolocator signed off? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Just Kidding. Glad to see you back Tim!

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I will take that as a compliment, Tim and I think a lot alike but we are not one and the same, neat rumor though!
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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Kevin
I would hope you flip those fuel pumps around so the motor is at the top. At the very least put a new seal kit in them. Holley's instruction sheets says it is absolutey verboten to install them that way. Would give me the willies to think what would happen if fuel leaked down in an electrical motor. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
Dave

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I pondered when he first posted, many moons ago "who are you the Copo Lone Ranger?" He pops in and out to help the COPO/Super Car needy and never leaves before he steals a kiss from a fair damsel in distress.

We don't know it,but he is always there watching and waiting to help. No one has seen him without his mask as he travels in cognito. He was long ago driven underground due to his missunderstood good intentions.

He travels with a side kick named Kevin who is identified by the little Red Wagon he is always pulling behind him.

I just want to know if you kissed "SuperCars" with the same enthusiasm as you did Nancy Gibb at the Vette Fest?

We can only hope that someday he will reveal his true inentity and come out of hiding. Untill the next time.

Hi Ho Silver.

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Stefano, you are a poet and didnt know it, I am sure tim will jump into a phone booth and return when you least expect it!
Motown

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Looks like Stefano is not only a poet but a comedian too.

NWYenko, hi Jim, I'll get pictures out when it is all detailed to our liking. See you in Arizona.

Hey Tim, I think it would be a good feature car. Rarely do magazine writers want to fly as far away as the NW though.

Whitetop, Dave, I'll check out those fuel pumps, don't need the Osama Bin Laden option on a Motion car.

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Stephano this is Alfred.Copolocater and locater junior are in the copolocatermobil on a secret copo mission.They've recieved a very important copo message from a very high source and have been asked to retrieve another copo in distress.He has sent you a private message that only you can decipher using your secret MIDDLE FINGER decoder ring that he sent you.Here it is @#$%HYW%YHHHSDRT^. Remember to activate you just extend the middle finger and look and it should start working. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Holy Decoder rings Alfred, it works!

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Somebody start passing out the Prozac before its too late! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

I think it may be the cause of Lysurgic Acid Dithalemide. Have to check with Timothy Leary for correct spelling.

Re: 1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion?
 

If I am not mistaken, I believe the middle word is Strycnine, therefore giving the proper letters of L.S.D., but I am not Timothy Leary so I cant be sure, but Strycnine is in there somewhere, or some similar Poison! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]