The BOSS is back!!!
 

Here is the press release that came out today. The Boss 302 is back in business. New 5.0 liter and 440 horse.

The Boss is Back!!!

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WOW! How much longer until Chevy responds with the Z28 and Dodge with Challenger TA's?

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Even the new 5.0 Mustang beats a new Camaro SS or Challenger SRT8,
Chevrolet and Dodge are way behind FORD.
I bought a 2007 GT500 Shelby back in late 2006 and only the Corvettes give me a hard time but they are a sport car anyways.
Ford always sets the standards or pushes the envelope first, Camaro(Chevrolet) and Challenger(Dodge) are still behind.

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I agree that Ford has for the last few years eaten GM and Chrysler's lunch, but as you know, it wasn't always that way.

With some luck, maybe GM and Chrysler will regain their financial footing and embrace the enthusiast vehicles again and put up a good fight against Ford.

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That is a very impressive story on how the Ford engineers made sure everything was thought through and correct to live up to the legendary Boss name before they would release the car. Wow.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even the new 5.0 Mustang beats a new Camaro SS or Challenger SRT8,
Chevrolet and Dodge are way behind FORD.
I bought a 2007 GT500 Shelby back in late 2006 and only the Corvettes give me a hard time but they are a sport car anyways.
Ford always sets the standards or pushes the envelope first, Camaro(Chevrolet) and Challenger(Dodge) are still behind. </div></div>

1. How does a 2010 Mustang compare against a 2010 Camaro?

2. Chevrolet is way behind. I don't think so. They may have come to the party late, but the only reason for the hp increase in the 2011 Mustang is due to the competition from Chevy. In this case, Chevy set the standard for performance for Ford, and price for Chrysler.

3. In 2007, what competition besides a Corvette did your GT500 have to compete with? All the comparisons beteeen a base 400hp Corvette and the GT500 in national magazines were in the Vettes favor in every category except &quot;room for four.&quot; It's not GM's fault that except for 2005-2006 Ford has no entry in the sports car field to compete against.

Don't get me wrong, I own plenty of Fords, and I'm not bashing Ford. It's the raising of the bar by each manufacturer that raises all ships. No matter who you pull for it's possible to point to a period in time where your team set the standard.

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I was a GM guy all my life but now a Ford man.. No comparison guys.. The Mustang is light years ahead of the Camaro and Challanger.. The 10 Mustang GT with the old 4.6 motor is still a way better car then the Camaro.. Almost as fast too.. The Camaro is a fat, oversized and poorly engineered car.. Sorry to say. It ain't the Camaro we all know and love.

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While the Camaro is a little heavier (300lbs), it's a LOT faster than the 4.6....almost a full second in the 1/4 mile.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...risons/4309423

Ford is definitely on top of things but it's no secret that the Camaro is a close second in the 2011 cars. The Challenger is not even close in performance or price. IMO Although a great looking car.

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By no way does Ford set the standards and Chevy follows. This is far from factual. As was stated, the 2010 Camaro was the first year release and wiped out all the competition. For 2011 Ford responded with a very nice and well equipped Mustang. But fret not, Chevy is testing the Z-28 now. This car is rumored to be LSA based and be running around the 550hp mark.

Apples for apples - the GT needs to be compared to the SS and the Boss or GT500 needs to be compared to the coming Z-28.

If any 2011 Mustang owners want to see what Chevy has in store for them in regards to future beat downs, just dare try to pull a light on a CTS-V Cadillac. This is a supercharged LSA powered monster and pumps out over 550hp.

Even with this said, we have not even started talking about Ford competing with the Z06 or the ZR1. So, unfortunately I think you are very flawed in your statement of Ford leading the pack.

But with all this new found muscle car wars comes the treasures to the consumers. Who would have thought 5 years ago Detroit would be rolling out cars that have HP levels never before seen in production cars.

I am in my glory now as this is like living he late 1960's all over again.

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I'll still stay with the Camaro. Light years ahead?? Not quite.
Cant wait for the z/28.

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4 examples on display today @ Laguna...car looks awesome and should be a runner.

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Its ashame that the average guy can't afford the sticker price on the upcoming Z28, GT500, Boss, etc. That leaves the base V8 models for the rest of the average working class guy, in which the 5.0 Mustang is ahead of the pack. Any manufacturer can stuff a monster supercharged beast into a car and charge an extra $20-25k, but the average guy isn't buying it and can't afford it. To me, that puts a car like the Z06, ZR1, CTS-V, upcoming Z28, GT500, etc in the Supercar class.

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I'm glad to hear that Chevy is bringing back the Z28, but I don't agree with how they are doing it. They should call the new Camaro with the supercharged 6.2 a ZL1. Chevy should then make a lightened, bare-bones handler with a normally aspirated V8 engine with say at least 450 hp, with no frills and unwanted options (leave out the leather interior, nav, bluetooth systems etc., sound insulation, even stereo and air conditioning), barely street legal (like the first gen Z/28's) for under $30,000, and call that a Z28.

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One of the obstacles for these special configuration cars is the Federal Test Proceedure regarding vehicle Emissions. Manufacturer/s have to submit a car for this testing, which is quite an investment. Somthing now around back in 69 when ol' Don was ordering his 427 cars.

The cost of the FTP for is then added to each specailty car. SInce they are going to be limited in sales, the adder is more significant. This can apply to just about everything else required to produce the car.

Shadetree conversions will be cheaper and remove liability.

I wish there was a configuration which would lend itslef to add ons. If they offered a low compression LS motor with a good set of rods and pistons but at a reasonable price they may have a makings of a hero. Basically looking for a package that could be a COPO where the local dealer could add their desired forced induction on a non SS car. It would save on insurance and the initial purchase price if a guy didn't want to do a dealer FI unit!

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pop mechanics are not known good drivers. They run 13.6 or so at the track with a good driver.. And they are 400 lbs less weight too.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While the Camaro is a little heavier (300lbs), it's a LOT faster than the 4.6....almost a full second in the 1/4 mile.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...risons/4309423

Ford is definitely on top of things but it's no secret that the Camaro is a close second in the 2011 cars. The Challenger is not even close in performance or price. IMO Although a great looking car.


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take it from lifetime GM guy.. Ford IS leading the pack.. Drive em both.. The 550 hp GT500 is out now.. (Ford has a bolt on 750 hp kit for it too)It will beat the (maybe??) Z28 just like the GT is faster and handles better then the Z28. Face it GM is not the GM we all once knew.. *sigh*

With GM taking the govt $$ was the nail in its coffin. Ford is making billions and never took a dime.. Cause they build cars people want.. The last privately owned American car company..:)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By no way does Ford set the standards and Chevy follows. This is far from factual. As was stated, the 2010 Camaro was the first year release and wiped out all the competition. For 2011 Ford responded with a very nice and well equipped Mustang. But fret not, Chevy is testing the Z-28 now. This car is rumored to be LSA based and be running around the 550hp mark.

Apples for apples - the GT needs to be compared to the SS and the Boss or GT500 needs to be compared to the coming Z-28.

If any 2011 Mustang owners want to see what Chevy has in store for them in regards to future beat downs, just dare try to pull a light on a CTS-V Cadillac. This is a supercharged LSA powered monster and pumps out over 550hp.

Even with this said, we have not even started talking about Ford competing with the Z06 or the ZR1. So, unfortunately I think you are very flawed in your statement of Ford leading the pack.

But with all this new found muscle car wars comes the treasures to the consumers. Who would have thought 5 years ago Detroit would be rolling out cars that have HP levels never before seen in production cars.

I am in my glory now as this is like living he late 1960's all over again. </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyingn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> just like the GT is faster and handles better then the Z28.</div></div> [/quote]

I'm wondering how you know that? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

Wayne

2012 Boss 302 display/Laguna Seca 8/15/10...
 

Car's look real sharp.
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSC01468.jpg

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http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSC01470.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSC01471.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSC01472.jpg

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Makes little difference to me as I'm not a Rustang guy but the new Boss would've looked better w/ the '70 Boss striping instead of the '69 style!.

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~ Pete

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No back seat? Pretty serious. That should save some weight. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] hmmmm....radio delete, heater (a/c) delete, rubber floor mat......

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Makes little difference to me as I'm not a Rustang guy but the new Boss would've looked better w/ the '70 Boss striping instead of the '69 style!.

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~ Pete
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Remember, they only ran the Boss in 69 an 70. Maybe this new Boss is the 69 and the following year boss will be dressed like the 70!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyingn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With GM taking the govt $$ was the nail in its coffin. Ford is making billions and never took a dime.. Cause they build cars people want.. The last privately owned American car company..:)</div></div>

FYI...It was a loan and GM has paid it back. As a matter of fact, all 3 US automakers are seeing profits. That hasn't happened since 2004.

Ford is doing a great job but so is GM and Chrysler. As someone said before....this is the 60's all over again between the new musclecars.

Keep them coming!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

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incorrect. GM took some of the money they got on loan and paid THAT back to the gov't saying they paid some of the the loan back.. How underhanded..
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/0...back-its-loan/

http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/23/general...kha-dalmia.html

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2003...s-loan-sort-of

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyingn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With GM taking the govt $$ was the nail in its coffin. Ford is making billions and never took a dime.. Cause they build cars people want.. The last privately owned American car company..:)</div></div>

FYI...It was a loan and GM has paid it back. As a matter of fact, all 3 US automakers are seeing profits. That hasn't happened since 2004.

Ford is doing a great job but so is GM and Chrysler. As someone said before....this is the 60's all over again between the new musclecars.

Keep them coming!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] </div></div>

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BOYS,BOYS!!! CMON FRANK Calm down.You know you like them both.

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I think Ford is doing it right and GM has a difficult road to recover. They have not paid back the bailout money and are beholden to the Unions and Obama. The results are cars like the $41K Volt that goes 40 miles on a charge...good grief. They are destined to build a bunch of government mandated cars that no one wants. I still don't think the Z will make it though the red tape, gotta watch those CAFE numbers, but one can hope.

Ford has the freedom to build cars people want like the Boss 302, hopefully it is not too late for GM but time is running out.

Until the government gets out of the car business, I am a Ford buyer.

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[quote=flyingn]take it from lifetime GM guy.. Ford IS leading the pack.. Drive em both..

I also was a GM guy my entire life until 2006 when i picked up my 2007 GT 500 Shelby. Don't forget that its been 3 straight years that the GT500 was the king of the Muscle Pony cars from 2007 to 2010. (i will not include a corvette as a muscle car as it is a sports car, Is a GT 40 a muscle car?)
Sure GM may come out with a Z28 with 550 H/P but it may be a little late come 2011 as Ford just keeps raising the bar.
In 2011 the GT 500 will now come with an Aluminum block and bigger super charger with just as much H/P or more.
Let the Muscle car wars begin !!

Hoestly i am glad i bought my FORD 2007 Shelby GT 500 when i did as i have driven the other 2 Pony cars i still to this day would not have bought a new Camaro or Challenger as i still think the GT 500 Shelby is the best Muscle Pony car out there.
Just my 2 cents.

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PLEASE MR. OH GREAT ONE LET GM MAKE THE Z28. FORD IS DOING THINGS RIGHT WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT IN MY OPIONN

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Wouldn't it be nice if they were all to come out with a five litre engine and resurrect the Trans Am series. Mosport is only about 25 miles away. I'd be there to watch in a &quot;heart beat&quot;.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BOYS,BOYS!!! CMON FRANK Calm down.You know you like them both. </div></div>

I am calm Don. Yea i love em both but I am salty with GM since they took the loan and then LIED about paying it back so that the public can be 'proud' of them and buy their cars instead of making good cars that people actually want. Also they killed Pontiac.. grrrrr

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the 011 GT500 is 550 hp now.. With the bolt on Ford racing power parts(installed by a dealer) 750 hp kit(new blower and fuel pump and tune) its a 680 HP rear wheel car.. Nothing short of amazing. Remember its a 331 cube motor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=flyingn]take it from lifetime GM guy.. Ford IS leading the pack.. Drive em both..

I also was a GM guy my entire life until 2006 when i picked up my 2007 GT 500 Shelby. Don't forget that its been 3 straight years that the GT500 was the king of the Muscle Pony cars from 2007 to 2010. (i will not include a corvette as a muscle car as it is a sports car, Is a GT 40 a muscle car?)
Sure GM may come out with a Z28 with 550 H/P but it may be a little late come 2011 as Ford just keeps raising the bar.
In 2011 the GT 500 will now come with an Aluminum block and bigger super charger with just as much H/P or more.
Let the Muscle car wars begin !!

Hoestly i am glad i bought my FORD 2007 Shelby GT 500 when i did as i have driven the other 2 Pony cars i still to this day would not have bought a new Camaro or Challenger as i still think the GT 500 Shelby is the best Muscle Pony car out there.
Just my 2 cents. </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyingn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the 011 GT500 is 550 hp now.. With the bolt on Ford racing power parts(installed by a dealer) 750 hp kit(new blower and fuel pump and tune) its a 680 HP rear wheel car.. Nothing short of amazing. Remember its a 331 cube motor</div></div>

I would love to own one of these cars. Horsepower today is much more controlable. Anything with FI (I still think this means fuel injections but it seems to be universally accepted as Forced Induction) and a cool engine managment can make at least 175 hp per liter and be a tame, daily driver.

So Yeah, the Ford makes 140 hp per liter. Not bad I guess, but are we talking at the wheel? I think amazing might be a bit much. When compared to Muscle Car era horspower, it's kind of amazing. Compared to today, it's nothing much. I am into old Audi quattro cars . We make 400 hp at all four wheels on stock 2.2 liter long blocks. Pushing 180 hp per liter, and if you factor in 20% drivetrain loss and want to do the equation based on crank hp we're talking 220 hp per liter. So yeah, 140 hp per liter is kinda ho-hum compared what is possible with today's technology.

Sounds kinda snotty to turn your nose up at 750 hp, but the relity is that there is a lot more HP available to be made. I think manufacturer's are just afraid of the liability of offering 1000+ hp cars. That is why I will continue to bang the drum for a COPO consisting of a stout base engine to allow the aftermarket to acheive these numbers with simple bolt-ons rather than engine tear downs.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Tedford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't it be nice if they were all to come out with a five litre engine and resurrect the Trans Am series. Mosport is only about 25 miles away. I'd be there to watch in a &quot;heart beat&quot;. </div></div>

That's the best idea yet!!!
As a kid I grew up a few miles down the road from Mosport and used to wake up weekend mornings to the sounds of cars lapping the track!.
I used to try and concentrate on the sound of one car at a time and listen carefully until I could tell where they were on the track from their shifting and revs!.

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~ Pete

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Well, I'm a Chevy guy too.......but of the 'old' Chevy. That's not even the same company anymore and Ford most certainly has been leading the way for a long time now for faster, superior hi-performance factory offerings. Like the elephant in the room, people tend to forget that they actually stopped making Camaros and Firebirds entirely after 2002 because EVERYBODY was buying Mustangs. How can any Musclecar fan not be impressed by some of the Mustangs of the last 8 or so years: Mach 1's with Shaker hoods, Bullitt models, the &quot;Terminator&quot; Cobras of 2003-04, Rousch 'Stangs, and finally the awesome Shelby GT500's that get better and better every year, the recent return of the 5.0, and now this sure-to-be-hit.....the Boss 302! It seems like every time Chevy EVEN THINKS about making an upcoming high-horsepower press-release or announcement that Ford immediately comes out with a higher figure.

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Im with you mark. Im a BIG fan of the Old Chevrolet. Not the Obama-ized Chevrolet..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I'm a Chevy guy too.......but of the 'old' Chevy. That's not even the same company anymore and Ford most certainly has been leading the way for a long time now for faster, superior hi-performance factory offerings. Like the elephant in the room, people tend to forget that they actually stopped making Camaros and Firebirds entirely after 2002 because EVERYBODY was buying Mustangs. How can any Musclecar fan not be impressed by some of the Mustangs of the last 8 or so years: Mach 1's with Shaker hoods, Bullitt models, the &quot;Terminator&quot; Cobras of 2003-04, Rousch 'Stangs, and finally the awesome Shelby GT500's that get better and better every year, the recent return of the 5.0, and now this sure-to-be-hit.....the Boss 302! It seems like every time Chevy EVEN THINKS about making an upcoming high-horsepower press-release or announcement that Ford immediately comes out with a higher figure. </div></div>