1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

http://inventory.bestofshowautomotiv...asp?VIN=131574 Any Buick GS experts out there know of this car? How do you get a sloan report done on a car? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.

Bill Pankiw

Re: 1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

https://sloanmuseum.com/research_form.html

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Thank You!

Bill Pankiw

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It was in Musclecar Review YEARS ago. If the story is true, it's a low-mi car.

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In 72 the engine code is in the VIN..hard to fake a 72 stage car...

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Very nice original car...

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When Best Of Show Automotive contacted me, they said this car was never shown nor in any magazines according to the owner. Do you know what issue it was in? They sent me photos of the under carriage, it would take a lot of time, solvent, (and Beer) to get it looking like the rest of the car.

It appears to be the real deal with fantastic documentation. Too bad it is not a 1970. IMHO, A 1972 bench seat, automatic on the column, no a/c car just doesn't seem to be worth that kind of money, even if it is Black, or how documented it is.

Bill Pankiw

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Is that the place in Mentor, OH?

I see their stuff on eBay all the time. They use Photoshop to present their auctions, which seems more professional to me.

On the other hand, they are over the top when it comes to their descriptions:

http://inventory.bestofshowautomotiv...asp?VIN=131021

http://inventory.bestofshowautomotiv...sp?VIN=CN10115

My GTX friend said they were full of it with the former, and I can tell you that the latter's description of "1 of 2" is BS - chances are it is 1 of 2 similar cars in Galen Govier's registry, which is a completely different ball game. That being said, they may not be dishonest, to make a distinction.

I will tell you later what issue the Buick was in. This car is well-known in the Buick world so for the dealer to make such a proclamation is foolish.

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I will tell you later what issue the Buick was in. This car is well-known in the Buick world so for the dealer to make such a proclamation is foolish.

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"This Stage 1 has never been to a Buick meet, never been offered for public sale, never been advertised and never passed around like a piece of meat from broker to broker."


Please PM me with the issue / month & year when you get a chance. Thanks,

Bill Pankiw

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For all I know, it could have been passed along from collector to collector. Stay tuned for PM later today . . . I recall article was written by Jerry Heasley and car may have been in Texas, but it's been YEARS since I've read the article.

Re: 1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

The article was printed in the September 1987 issue of Muscle Car Review. The owner at the time was Ken Emmott of Houston TX. The article states the car had "around 10000 original miles". The article also states the car won "Best all around GS at the 1984 GS Nats so it seems to also have been at a Buick meet..The original selling dealer had the car until 1979. The car then went to Connecticut. The second owner apparently didn't register the car either. I remember drooling over that car when I first saw the article! I still have that same issue!

Todd

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If you want to get picky, I compared some photos from the sellers website with the original article photos. The air cleaner foams look to have been replaced. The ones in the magazine article have "squared off" corners at the rear of them. Everything else looks pretty much the same- there's a little more rust on the brake booster now.

Todd

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Guess someone has saved me some trouble. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Still, here's more detail . . .

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page 2 . . .

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Thanks everyone for the issue information, I just purchased a copy off e-bay. It just floors me that the guy who owns the place it's at states: "And the car will go from the original selling Buick dealer to the next lucky owner!"

This was after I brought up the fact I was told it was in Muscle Car Review a while back, he stated in talking to the Buick dealer / current owner, it was never shown before, nor was it in any magazines.

You would think a car of this caliber should sell on it's own, with out the stories.

Bill Pankiw

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This is the latest e-mail I got from Joseph Carrol owner of Best of Show Automotive when I questioned if it was in any magazines, ect.:

Bill,


It's not the same car. My friend, Kevin Joyce, ordered the car at Joyce Buick and owned it until last month. It's never been to a Buick show.


And I never said the car was on MSO. My ad clearly shows the original title which was issued in 1972.


Not sure why you are doubting my word, but the facts are the facts.


If this car had been at the GS Nationals in May, it would have won all kinds of stuff. If you are intent on owning this car that appeared in a magazine back in the 80's, I can't help you.

Joseph M. Carroll
President & C.E.O.
Best of Show Automotive, LLC
Home of the Mentor Museum of Speed
7700 Tyler Boulevard
Mentor, Ohio 44060


I quess Is it possible this is not the same car?


Bill Pankiw

Re: 1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

Time to post on the Buick board. Here's a link:

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.ph...68#post1481668

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Diego,

Thanks for the link, I joined tonight and posted to a Chris, he said he was a previous owner. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I would really like this car to be a 1 owner, no stories car for sure, before I per sue it any further.

Bill Pankiw

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Another PM sent!

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The car at Best of Show Automotive has got to be the same car that was featured in the 9-1987 issue of Muscle Car Review in my opinion.

I have attached nice clear scans of both pages. The car was also shown at the GS Nats in the early 90s and I have photos of it, but they are not here at my house, I'll get them next week when I visit my Dad and scan them in if there is any doubt.

Why do I think it's the same car? Well in 1972 there were 7,723 GS Buicks made (this includes includes GS 350, GS 455, and GS Stage 1). Of the 7,723 only 113 were painted Regal Black. Of those 113 Black Gran Sport hardtops only 59 were made with the black painted sport mirrors. Remember these 59 cars include GS 350, GS 455, and GS Stage 1.

The car in the magazine and the car in the internet ad are both optioned EXACTLY the same. With only 728 Stage 1 built in '72, plus the rarity of black (113), and the black mirrors (less than 59 Stage 1s with these), the chances of two cars both with black vinyl top, N25 bumper, 15" wheels, black bench seat interior, sport steering wheel, AM/FM radio (with an 8 track underdash), PS, rally gauges w/ tach, door edge guards, and very low miles, is too much to ignore!

Also, if you look closely at the engine shots, here is the thing that confirms it for me: in the magazine you can see a paint inspection mark at the 12 o'clock position on the top of the brake booster (can't see it however in my scans, but it is visible if you have the magazine in your hand). The same paint mark is visible in the internet ad.

Also, the "Stage 1" sticker placement is the same on both cars. Why is this a give away? Because the decal is normally about 1" closer to the wingnut so that the radius of the decal matches the radius of the air cleaner lid. Well both the car in the magazine and the internet car have it place all the way to the bottom. The is probably original, but just a very unusual placement. Too much of a coincidence for 2 identical optioned, very rare, low mileage cars to have this the same way.

Also since the car was in the magazine in 1987, it appears that someone has replaced the original upper radiator hose (which had a white stripe on it). Also the master cylinder has been replaced. You can tell 2 ways: 1) the plating on the lid is much newer looking than the booster 2) the original master cylinder on a disc brake '72 GS has bleeder screws (as shown in the 1987 MCR article).

Bottom line, got to be the same car. Not sure why the sellers would be so adamant about it not being the same car, but it has the same car.

Also a guy on the Buick bulletin board owned the car until recently. go here :http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=183530 and scroll down to post #5.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...1987MCRp42.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...1987MCRp43.jpg

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it was listed for sale on

www.v8buick.com

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Andy,

You post the v8buick.com website, but you don't list when and where this car in question was listed. Do you remember the date and section it was in?

Bill

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Updates?

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Not as of yet, still waiting on a reply from Andy Tantes. It appears to be the same beautiful car. After talking to the 4th.? owner, the ownership / story is just not what it is advertised to be.

Bill Pankiw

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After talking to the 4th.? owner, the ownership / story is just not what it is advertised to be.

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Wow https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif Considering the email you received from the owner of Best of Show Automotive, I would say their credibility has gone right down the drain https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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I wonder if the dealer was dishonest, or if they were hoodwinked? And, considering they knew of the existence of a similar car (that ended up being the same car), wouldn't it occur to them there may be something strange going on?

And why would such a cool, original car have its pedigree compromised in such a manner? It seems totally unnecessary.

Re: 1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

this guy said he used to own it
http://v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=...ht=72+gs+black

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I wonder if the dealer was dishonest, or if they were hoodwinked?

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Diego,

Read the post on page 2 of this thread...the owner of Best of Show Automotive says, in an email to Big Block Bill, that a friend of his ordered the car brand new and owned it until a short time ago. If Big Block Bill has now found someone who was "owner #4" of this same car, then someone is being less than honest https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

Re: 1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

Chris, owner #4, said he PURCHASED this car from Best of Show about 6 months ago. Then he TRADED it back in on a 1970 Green Stage 1 4 speed car about a month and a half ago.

Chris said he was going to call Joseph Carroll of Best of Show (Which I verified he did)and tell him he has had 2 people (Me and a guy from Texas)call him about this car. He told us both the ownership history as he knew it, and that he (Mr. Carroll) might want to re-write his “Story”

As told to me: Kevin Joyce, Buick dealer / owner sold car in 1979, (Mr Emmott maybe?) but he did not give the new owner the original paper work, protect-o-plate, ect. The car was then sold sometime later to a guy in Ct.? Mr Joyce then bought the car, re-united the car and paper work, then had it for a while before listing? consigning? or selling? to Best of Show before Chris purchased it THIS YEAR!

Having been the past owner of 1 of the 3 Founding Bloomington Gold Survivor / Benchmark Corvettes, #100 1953 Corvette, and a 1969 L-89 Corvette the NCRS used in the 1980’s for judging criteria, I have always appreciated an un-restored Original car. I believe a good part of the Survivor value is in the “Story / Ownership history” It is a shame the “Story” on this beautiful 1972 GS Stage 1 is a bit fuzzy or at least cloudy.

Thanks for all who helped, and yenko.net for the soap box to speak from.

Bill Pankiw

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Thanks for the clarification on that point, Bill - that's a pretty dumb claim to make for a car that was in a magazine!

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This is what the site says at this moment:

http://inventory.bestofshowautomotiv...asp?VIN=131574

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WOW,

That sure is a different description than they listed before. I wonder what made him change it?

Bill Pankiw

Re: 1972 GS Stage 1 Buick
 

I guess my distaste at seeing them hyped in Musclecar Review or Musclecar Enthusiast (can't remember which) has been validated.