ZL1 #9 Barrett Jackson - Where's Waldo - Page 3

talwell · #1 01-03-2012, 03:32 AM

I will chime in to also say that description is very deceptive to say the least. BJ should be ashamed to call a rebodied car one of best examples. I dont care how nice it is, the car is now a fully assembled tribute, clone or whatever you want to call it using the original parts from a ZL1 and the paperwork from that original car.

I would love to hear how they announce the car and talk it up while it is on the block. If they want to be honest not only will they announce that it is a rebody they will also explain to the bidders what that means. In my book it means it is no longer a ZL1 but a car built from the parts of an original ZL1.

**Steve Shauger** · #2 01-03-2012, 04:18 AM

I would like to know how the car was represented to you George. We know that Floyd was upfront and very clear as to the car being a rebody, it was also clearly stated in the BJ description in 2006. Typically a rebody sells for significantly less than a real bodied car, and I assume this was the case when you purchased the car. You stated on 12/7 "the car will be represented honestly when I become the "seller". Is the updated description what you consider "represented honestly".

**bergy** · #3 01-03-2012, 12:54 PM

I agree with you guys entirely. No one is shocked though when "death star" words like "rebody" and "clone" aren't used in marketing material. I'd just like to give George the benefit of the doubt - that the car will be represented as exactly what it is at the auction and on the block.
Heck - look at the LS-6 vert coming up at Mecum in FL - no "clone" words, but it sure looks like it if you read between the lines. "Built to LS-6 specs" could also mean that the factory built it that way.
BTW - the line up of cars at Mecum FL is spectacular! I know where I'll be!

GeorgeLyons · #4 01-03-2012, 04:31 PM

WOW, I took an afternoon off the computer to work in my garage and missed my murder trial and sentencing. Glad I got a phone call prior to my walk to the gas chamber.

Prior to yesterday I had finished my signage for B-J with a clear disclosure of the body replacement done by Floyd. I also have new photos; pre-resto, work underway and ones I took in dismantling the car recently. As always I expect to visit with potential bidders for the full week of display answering any and all questions and sharing all I have on the car. I previously listed my cell number on the post and have talked to three interested parties all of whom seemed to know about the body when they called.

I am more than a bit shocked by the accusatory nature of yesterdays posts but admittedly have witnessed this here before. I have stated I would sell this car honestly but apparently that does not suffice. I thought originally posting on this site was a good move but now question my decision. I will market and sell this car thru Barrett-Jackson exclusively from today forward.

Thank You,
George Lyons

**PeteLeathersac** · #5 01-03-2012, 06:30 PM

All happening here seems to really be about so much more than this specific car and/or owner so please stay on board George as everyone here's certainly not against you!.
If this SYC thread can continue on it really has the potential to be a much-needed clear and major signpost of direction and clarification for many serious cars and their values in today's world!.
Seriously, will there ever really be any better time and situation again w/ the stars lined up exactly as they are right here and now, those serious about these cars including owners and others w/ specific vehicle information also auction principals and a perfect subject car w/ stand-up owner...all here together on the new SYC!.

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~ Pete

Stuart Adams · #6 01-03-2012, 07:06 PM

Beautiful car. Cool it was saved. To me ZL1's are very special, like GM's baby. I know, I'm weird.

**Xplantdad** · #7 01-03-2012, 09:07 PM

When George says he will be by his car answering questions...that's where you can expect to find him. That's where he was when he sold the yellow COPO... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

**markjohnson** · #8 01-03-2012, 10:54 PM

Unfortunately, it sounds like the #9 ZL-1 did not survive it's years of Drag Strip use and abuse and a 307 '69 Camaro (or something similar) was used as a substitute body to re-create #9. What would bother me is when the new owner sits in the car and thinks to himself "Wow, this is a real ZL-1 Camaro that actually sat on Fred Gibb's famous lot and was blasting down Drag Strips back in 1969!" Well, guess what . . . . it's not. The original car, hull or what's left of it is possibly still sitting behind a body shop somewhere waiting to be re-discovered when the current tenants move out and leave it. At B-J, you're actually sitting in Grandma's boring 307 Camaro that's had it's VIN tags swapped as a car it's not. On another note, I do know that one of the engines from one of the stolen new ZL-1's was recently recovered from a speed boat in the Ozarks and will be used to re-create one of the stolen missing Zl-1's and that a CE ZL-1 block is also being used to re-create one of the other stolen cars.

John · #9 01-04-2012, 12:11 AM

I think that you will find that George is not trying to hide anything he knows about this car.
The Barrett-Jackson description is basically a short description of the car being sold ... "and is done to get buyers interested in each car."
None of the cars descriptions details everything about each car. George also invites all interested parties to meet with him at the car to show all the documentation and other information that he knows about the car .... prior to the car coming up for auction.
... How many people would buy a car of this calibur and bid from reading that description only ?
....( and not talk with the owner and inspect the car prior to bidding?
I believe in the end you will find a buyer that has met with George and is well aware of what was done to restore this car ... will be the winning bidder
... but what do I know.
.... Just my 2cents [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif[/img]

**kwhizz** · #10 01-04-2012, 12:30 AM

Congrat's to Charley for calling it for what it is.....and to George for calling it what it is.......That's what makes this the best car site on the net.....The knowledge base and tracking history that exists here about these rare cars never cease to amaze me.......and it's great to have a muscle car site that now allows the "Scrutiny" of these cars make it a little more difficult for a "Holy Grail" car to fall out of the sky and be "Deemed" a real car without "Question"..........Congrats to all involved........

Ken