1970 RAIV Judge Ragtops

[supergonzo]

Thanks Again Rob, I'll try to do my best, just actually just wanna see all the other cool cars that will be there.

As far as Judge Convertibles go. I just sold my 69' Judge Convertible RAIII 4spd car. I did very well. So I know what they go for. This was the car I just sold. At one time I had 4 69' Judges. I have 2 now. Both RAIV cars. SO MUCH faster than RAIII's and standard GTO motors. Although I love all Pontiacs. <BR>


Your Yenko is an awesome car itself.

[COPO_Anders]

OK, it´s not a Judge. But I was reading a Swedish magazine tonight, Power magazine, and they had an article about a -70 RAM AIR IV GTO. Lars Sundeborn, a Swedish guy living in Santa Ana saw an ad in the Los Angeles Times back in -79 and bought the car. It´s a silver fourspeed convertible.

There is also a -70 RAM AIR IV GTO hardtop in Sweden. This one is gold. I´ve seen it on several meetings.It´s been restored to perfect condition.


Anders

[JoeG]

Ram Air IV AD------------

[yellowjudge]

Colin, I see my crumb illicts a full course meal from you. Someone said something about your bright teeth after the sale, harmless, but jump on him if you want.
Price, it was an auction, sale price disclosed to anyone. Alot of people discuss cars @ these high profile sales, as do I. OK,short for Oklahoma, as I had looked @ that car back in 1996, think that is where it was then. I'm intouch w/prev. owner who inspected it, & told me what he thought. I'm sure it was a great car.
Not taking anything away from any RAIII cars, but you're a car salesman, so what ever engine, option etc your car has, it's the best @ that time. I'm sure all the people on this site would agree, a RAIII<RAIV. Would you say a Z-28 is =to ZL1? Or an SS 396=LS6
100k resto?, that's some resto, out of my league.

No raiv judge convert= to a RAIII in value, your a good salesman, but that's a tough sale!

[yellowjudge]

Wow what color of 70 raiv? I saw a black auto convert in Phili, was that it?
Mine is a 70 red raiv 4spd.
Yours looks great!, Is the convert done? Saw one came out of Ariz. in 87, but never saw the PHS. Have fun racing!

[csx289]

Eric,
Again, with all due respect, my post was not an attack on you, nor was it in any way trying to convey that a RAIII car is worth anything near a RAIV car! My point, which I feel you have missed, was that in response to YOUR question of basically "If Colin's RAIII car is worth this, what is my RAIV convert worth NOW". My comment was that it would be quite interesting to compare the difference in values IF you could find a RAIV convert restored to the same level as my RAIII car,and offer it for sale in a similar venue.

Also, I had made the point that your comment of the car being "OK" was perhaps unfair , as YOU have not seen the car since its restoration - a quite exhaustive and expensive one I might add. If there was a previous owner of the car at the auction, he did not introduce himself to me. I would have loved to talked to him. However, that still does not change the fact that you did not see it - unless, of course, you guys share eyeballs

Finally, as far as what I veiw as being derragatory remarks as to my being a "car salesman" , yes , I do sell cars. I also collect and keep more than I sell. I have sold a good number of cars to members of this site , and I am sure that they would agree that I am a lousy "salesperson". I let the cars sell themselves, and some cars I could have sold dozens of times over, but I keep them. Why is that? Because I am as much as a car nut as anybody on this board. I simply have to sell some cars to make money to keep some, simple as that!

I have to say that all appearances aside, you seem to be a better salesman than me. Haven't I been reading posts (this thread included) about your cars and how much they are worth for a long time? I don't think I ever made a post about my black Judge convertible.I also recall speaking to you on the phone a few times when you were selling ME cars - or at least brokering them.

And yes, $100k is what it takes to do a good resto these days with real parts and show paint. I'd love to see your cars done like this at some point, they deserve it.

My invitation still stands, you are more than welcome to come to my place at any time and poke around.I think you'd enjoy it.

Best regards,
Colin

[firstgenaddict]

There is currently a 70 RA IV conv undergoing a complete frame off and I believe that the current asking price is $699,000. With the price going up as per current trends. Here is the link 70 RA IV conv.

[yellowjudge]

Colin, really nothing wrong w/selling cars, it's how you make a living. As far as value, that is really subjective, my thought is something worth what someone else will pay for it. Your Judge, must of been worth what you got for it, as two people had to bid it to that level. I'm sure it was nice, I saw pics awhile back in unrestored. Not sure if it was a frame off or on now. There was a guy there, who had the car from early 80s, I just went on his opinion.
Yes I did turn you to a deal, not offered any of my personal cars.
I've had 1 car done to a concourse level. My 69 raiv TA, is really standout, as I've been told by some very noteworthy collectors. Guess I have good deal w/shop I use.
I will say I'm glad too see these pontiacs finaly receive the recognition they deserve, should I ever decide to part w/any,real prices are being set now! I did see a 70 black RAIV auto car @ 699k!! It will be interesting to see what it really sells for. Not to take anything away from Hemi Cuda converts, but I believe w/production figures close, a raiv convert Judge should be valued atleast 1/2!

[Charley Lillard]

Judgeragtop.."It was an OK car, orig. had sandalwood top & inter. I'm sure he had nice paint on it!" When I read that statement I took it a a kind of slam. Yet you made it without even seeing but just going on someone elses opinion. I have seen cars that Colin has put up for sale and everyone I have seen I would be proud to own. I am not a expert on every nut and bolt of all the brands but his efforts on fit and finish are second to none when he gets done with them. You may have restored your 69 TA for alot less than the 100K talked about but I bet it was done with Friends, a few years ago and it took awhile. You cannot run a business , restore a # of cars and get them done in a timely manner by relying on Friends. You would quickly run out of Friends.

[yellowjudge]

Charley Lillard... Thanks for comming to the"rescue" of Colin. Colin is a car salesman, nothing wrong w/that, that is his profession, but collectors & sellers sometimes differ in descriptions.
Wow, I just said car had nice paint, as that was info relayed to me. I would not call that a slam. I'm sure the car was nice, not perfect that's my opinion. None are really perfect.
I don't reply to your responses to posts, & don't recall asking for your critique of mine.
My 69 RAIV TA is a highly done total resto, Phil will attest to it's quality. Not perfect, but I try to always fine tune it. I did farm out all mechanics/plating/ & found all nos myself, & did total diassembly. I have a new shop I deal with, $35 per hr, excell paint, best I've seen.