1969 Camaro L89 with JL8 option at Kissimmee

[JohnZ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yikes! Can you imagine how badly the broach would have been worn to create those broach marks? </div></div>

You mean to say how sharp the blades were...[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

As Bergy noted, worn blades in the broach create &quot;furrows&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img], although not as bad as those in that photo; freshly-dressed or new blades leave hardly any broach marks at all. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yikes! Can you imagine how badly the broach would have been worn to create those broach marks? </div></div>

You mean to say how sharp the blades were...[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

As Bergy noted, worn blades in the broach create &quot;furrows&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img], although not as bad as those in that photo; freshly-dressed or new blades leave hardly any broach marks at all. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>

I guess intelligent sarcasm can be taken the wrong way right John? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

The block is an obvious restamp and the surface looks prepped by a belt sander and hand files.

[mr 707]

a stigma will be attached to this car forever. I wonder who bought it.? at 200k im sure the buyer felt it was a real car. If the car sold for clone money i think the seller would be off the hook.
someone here must know who bought the car???

[Lynn]

That's the one I was thinking of Verne.

Nice car for the money.

The fake L89 car in question would be worth about that, if properly represented.

Wonder if Mr. Edward J. (Jack) O'Donnell kept the original trim tag from car 690139?

[Born30YrsLate]

...looks like you can have one now built for 20% of the auction price...
Ebay Ad Pics

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...looks like you can have one now built for 20% of the auction price...
Ebay Ad Pics </div></div>

The first 8 or 9 photos are from the Mecum auction ad. Wonder if those guys built the O'Donnell car.

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...looks like you can have one now built for 20% of the auction price...
Ebay Ad Pics </div></div>

So let's just go <span style="text-decoration: line-through">steal</span> borrow all the pictures we can of someone else's black 69 Camaro and pretend that is what we can do ...

or maybe they DID build the car in question ... ???

[dabigpud]

Good evening everyone...

Hopefully some of you see this and we can get to the bottom of this fraud discovery together. I'm confident this could be the start of something very exciting.

Here's the quick run down on my discovery. By the way, this happened literally today.

I am a local law enforcement officer in Southern California and just this week purchased two project 1969 Camaros from a woman whose husband passed away two years ago here in Orange County, CA.

After meeting with her a few times last week before we struck a deal, we had shared various stories with each other in the process. During one of our conversations, she had mentioned they once had owned a 3rd Camaro; but it was stolen out of a parking lot circa 1990.

Any who, I didn't think much of it initially until reviewing some of the documentation in the stack of folders she gave me for my other 2 cars I purchased. As I flipped through the pages, I came across a couple documents related to another car with a different VIN. In her initial story, she mentioned their 3rd Camaro had been red in color. The document listed the VIN#124379N690139, a red 1969 SS 396 Camaro; dated 4/7/1990.

I still really didn't give it much thought until I turned to my friend while we were on the couch at my house and I loosely joked, "I wonder what will pop up if I Google their old VIN number on that car of theirs that was stolen 28+ years ago."

My mouth dropped as I looked at the results of my search. Well I'll be damned! There was their car! It was resurrected from the depths, painted black and given a fake history before crossing the Mecum Auction block at Kissimmee in 2014 and selling for a whopping $200,000!

During my search on Google, I also came across this very thread and was delighted to see 10 pages worth of criticism about the car's dubious history and suspect looking documentation.

I immediately called Mecum and left a voicemail for a gentleman who is supposed to call me back.

We HAVE to find out more about this car and bring justice to the last true owner of this Camaro! Any details about the vehicle's current owner would also be amazing!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by dabigpud

... they once had owned a 3rd Camaro; but it was stolen out of a parking lot circa 1990.

... The document listed the VIN#124379N690139, a red 1969 SS 396 Camaro; dated 4/7/1990.

My mouth dropped as I looked at the results of my search. Well I'll be damned! There was their car! It was resurrected from the depths, painted black and given a fake history before crossing the Mecum Auction block at Kissimmee in 2014 and selling for a whopping $200,000!

In some other instances of stolen vehicles from back in the past - emerging years and decades later - the rightful legal previous owner received the car back in their possession. In most cases the car was in better condition (restored) than when it was originally stolen.

I hope she gets back a fully restored Black , Aluminum Headed upgrade .

The footsteps will lead right back to whomever re-tagged the car and fabricated the bogus history/documents.
That will take some explaining , and won't look real shiny to any investigator , even if that person wasn't involved with the actual theft 28 years ago. He won't be looking at an easy-out situation.

Even if what he did, had nothing to do with concealing previous theft, and was only based on profit margins, he's real deep in the ugly zone now.

No legalities on swapping a trim tag , or recreating fantasy documents , but probably a big Catch-22 when the car involved winds up having been stolen and a laundered title.

[jannes_z-28]

In the art world an auction house would be sure if the painting they sell is legit, it would ruin their name for ever if they sold a fake. And they would commit an illegal act. Apparently not a problem in the auto auction world...


Can't just about anybody call the FBI on this auction company, evidence in this case i clear.


Jan