ZL1 #9 Barrett Jackson - Where's Waldo

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Big Block Bill

Being a licensed Rebuilder and Parts Recycler in the State of Illinois for the last 37 years, it is my understanding that taking vin tags and or sections of a vehicles body containing vin tags and installing them on another body is Illegal and a federal crime, but I am no lawyer so to get a true read on the subject someone with a law degree will have to respond to this. I am sure there are a few lawyers in our Yenko.net family so I hope one will give us their professional opinion on the matter to set the record straight. Bill

Thanks for the reply Bill. I too have been in the auto body business for 42 years, an auto painter by trade, I have been running the two shops I have worked at longer than I was the painter in each. That's why red flags fly up every time VINs are discussed. I have seen, just during out of state VIN checks being done for care sales, them get denied or impounded.

Perhaps that's why initially, the statement that "A GM factory assembled body shell was used to correct the extensive body modifications performed during this cars long term drag race history" was used,....so legal implications for re-bodying a car would be avoided. But later on, the statement was made, "Prior to yesterday I had finished my signage for B-J with a clear disclosure of the body replacement done by Floyd."

Seems to me everyone up in arms about this car are just concerned with the wording of the description, and whether or not potential buyers know it was re-bodied or not, and no one is concerned that re-bodying a car might well be completely illegal.

[Pro Stock John]

Careful wording = Trying to avoid future legal issues.

When did Floyd Garrett restore this car, in the 80s?

[Too Many Projects]

Depends on what state and year the rebody was done. Some states did and may still do, allow that IF both vehicles are registered to the same person and the body is used to restore one of them, it is allowed. I had a '67 Camaro that was a combination mutt out of TX about 15 years ago and I talked to their DMV and they were fine with it. I had figured out the original vin of the vehicle and gave her both and she said they had both been registered to the same person and she didn't view the tag swap as malicious or to deceive, which it seriously did but she didn't see it that way. I then called the NICB and asked them about it and the guy said they don't agree with the Texas perception of the law, but once a body/tag has been swapped and the vehicle given a clean TX title, there isn't anything they can do about it.

[Big Block Bill]

Originally Posted by Rumbleguts396

I could be wrong, I believe it may be illegal to simply be in possession of a loose Vin tag in some states.

Not if you are a Licensed Rebuilder or Parts Recycler in the State of Illinois as long as you have the Title to support said Vin Tag and it is listed in you SOS Log Book. On anther note, the only one who can be in possession of a Salvage Title in the State of Illinois is an Insurance company, a Licensed Rebuilder, Parts Recycler or a Dealer. Bill

[carnut4life]

Brought 495k after the commission, that's a lot of money for a rebodied car!

[1971ls6]

But it sold for half price!

[Mr70]

During earlier auctioned off Frank Tiegs cars,specifically the '64 T-Bolt,the '68 Shelby GT500KR,and the '70 Boss 429,Steve Davis broke in and said,"During the restoration of this car,a decision was made to use a Donor Body".
Steve even went so far as to say during the '64 T-bolt description,this is a"Re-Body".
..But when Franks' #9 ZL-1 Camaro came up,not one whisper of a Donor Body or Re-body was uttered by Steve or anyone over the PA.

[lycan]

Originally Posted by Mr70

During earlier auctioned off Frank Tiegs cars,specifically the '64 T-Bolt,the '68 Shelby GT500KR,and the '70 Boss 429,Steve Davis broke in and said,"During the restoration of this car,a decision was made to use a Donor Body".
Steve even went so far as to say during the '64 T-bolt description,this is a"Re-Body".
..But when Franks' #9 ZL-1 Camaro came up,not one whisper of a Donor Body or Re-body was uttered by Steve or anyone over the PA.

I noticed that too! Also, remember Craig Jackson's commentary (recorded) about the Tiegs collection prior to the auction ... the #9 ZL-1 has "the original motor".


So, according to Barret Jackson ... this is an original body, original motor car. "One of the finest in existence" (Cunneen report).

[bergy]

Any idea what the seller would net out of that 495k?

[Mr70]

Originally Posted by bergy

Any idea what the seller would net out of that 495k?

"To sell a vehicle at Barrett-Jackson,the seller is responsible for paying the entry fee (based on the time of day of the auction and the lot number),and a seller's commission of 8% off the hammer price.
The buyer pays a 10% buyer's premium on the Hammer price."

So #9 Hammered at 450k,-8% (36k),the seller goes home with 414K.