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**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #61 08-08-2007, 09:27 PM

I would beg to differ that the bodies of a 6hitter and the ZL1 were the same, as those small differences are how we can tell when a ZL1 has been rebodied with a 6hitter!

Some folks lust after original drivetrain, others after original sheetmetal, most after both. Either way, a rebody is exactly as Camarojoe described, there really is no gray area.

**69LM1** · #62 08-08-2007, 11:14 PM

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I would beg to differ that the bodies of a 6hitter and the ZL1 were the same, as those small differences are how we can tell when a ZL1 has been rebodied with a 6hitter!

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Whoa, no disrespect, as I can be wrong, and frequently am, but are you saying that a 6 Cyl car and a ZL1 have differences in the actual body of the car? Not bolt on items (suspension etc) BUT, Frame Rails, Body Subframe (again not suspension, but the actual frame)etc?

That would throw everything that I thought I knew about how Fischer and option codes were assigned out the window if true.

I have never seen any structural (as defined above) diffences between any of the 6cyl, X11, LM1, X66, X33 or X44 cars that I have owned. Now, I have never owned a ZL1 or COPO, so I might be missing something?

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #63 08-08-2007, 11:44 PM

Yes, there are differences in the bodies, some are obvious like the dual exhaust plates, etc...

**69LM1** · #64 08-09-2007, 12:04 AM

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Yes, there are differences in the bodies, some are obvious like the dual exhaust plates, etc...

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I thought those were welded on during assembly, and are they considered part of the "body" for puposes of this conversation?

I guess my point was the body of a 6banger and a ZL1 is the same (as far as I know) structurally, unlike say a Boss429 Mustang vs a 6 banger stang.

The "add ons" such as BE rear (which I understand was a "hardend" 12 bolt vs standard gears) and sway bars/Suspenson (springs) and finally drivetrain were what made a ZL1 a ZL1.

I guess, what I am saying, unless I am wrong, is that all camaros started out equal at Fischer (other than holes cut for tranny etc, but structurally), and it was on the assembly line where the "Special" items were added, thus, those are the items by which we ought to value as what makes a Camaro, a Camaro ZL1 (or SS or Z28 etc).

All of these "born as" type statements are unusual. A camaro is a camaro. It was the HiPo "stuff" that made them different.

Again, I am FAR from a expert like you (Marlin), Kurt and some of the other guys here, just making a point.

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #65 08-09-2007, 12:13 AM

To me, a special welded on plate, or a special piercing, hole, etc... makes the body different. We're probably splitting hairs here, as my head is starting to spin with this discussion. We go through this about once or twice a year!

**69LM1** · #66 08-09-2007, 01:05 AM

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To me, a special welded on plate, or a special piercing, hole, etc... makes the body different. We're probably splitting hairs here, as my head is starting to spin with this discussion. We go through this about once or twice a year!

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Yes, but at least we can discuss it without dropping into fighting, and I know when we as a group have had good discussions without being married to an opinion, I have learned several points and even modified my opinion on others. Guess it is like they say, it's the journey thats fun.

king_midas · #67 08-09-2007, 01:48 AM

Yenko Deuce-- Utter poppycock. Ballyhoo. Embellishment of magnanomous proportions.

How about undercoating? How about mudflaps? What about fiber optics? You're insane???!!!

**69LM1** · #68 08-09-2007, 02:58 AM

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Yenko Deuce-- Utter poppycock. Ballyhoo. Embellishment of magnanomous proportions.

How about undercoating? How about mudflaps? What about fiber optics? You're insane???!!!

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Whoa Midas! The point in my last post was about how we can disagree without name calling!

Please post your point as to why you disagree, and let the other guys make theirs. I think there are plenty more points to be made on both side, without the name calling

IF you meant it that way. Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone is kidding or really putting someone down. I use the

to show that I am foolin, and not putting someone down. My .02 anyway.

Rich

**njsteve** · #69 08-09-2007, 03:21 AM

I for one, am proud of my nicknames.

So far I have:

1) McGyver
2) Mr. Preposterous
3) Dep. Barney Fife

I'm always lookin' for more.

**69LM1** · #70 08-09-2007, 03:30 AM

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I for one, am proud of my nicknames.

So far I have:

1) McGyver
2) Mr. Preposterous
3) Dep. Barney Fife

I'm always lookin' for more.

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Lawyers! (insert judicous use of icon here)

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