Repro Pontiac round port/Oldsmobile W30 cyl heads

[StealthBird]

Well, you guys that own real W-30 cars, and have no problem with clones because you believe they raise the value of your real, authentic, matching numbers W-30, just wait and see how hard it will be to sell your car when some Oldsmobile guys begin doing this....

http://www.yenkocamaroparts.com/information.htm

Last Thursday (on Thanksgiving), I gave thanks to Pontiac Historical Services for eliminating any doubt that my 1969 Firebird 400 wasn't born a 6-banger 1967 Camaro.

[666 the legend]

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I just love his marketing scheme!!!! Start out with a '69 Cutlass, add this kit and some water.... poof Instant H/O!!!!
(1969 - 1969 Cutlass/442 ) HURST OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS FACTORY APPEARANCE KIT H/O - COMPLETE KIT TO CONVERT ANY 1969 CUTLASS "S" 442 OR CONVERTIBLE INTO A 69 HURST OLDS LOOK-A-LIKE. KIT INCLUDES: 1 DUAL SNORKEL HOOD SCOOP, 1 PAIR OF SPECIAL MIRRORS AND MOUNTING HARDWARE, 1 REAR SPOILER WING, 3 HURST OLDS EMBLEMS, 455 H/O SCOOP DECALS, 1 DOC WATSON GLOVE BOX EMBLEM ANOTHER PART NOT INCLUDED THAT WOULD TAKE YOUR CAR UP A NOTCH IS A SET OF ORIGINAL 455 "D" HEADS, WHICH WE ARE ALSO REPRODUCING. WITH THE PARTS WE MAKE YOU CAN BUILD AN EXACT DUPLICATE OF THE FAMED 1969 HURST OLDS

The price tag of all of this--$929. Used to be the mirrors alone were close to this price. Granted, nothing can replace paperwork and original owners, but this is borderlining on stupid easy clones!!!

[/ QUOTE ]..Got any PICS of your" STINKY H/O"..?? What # is yours..?? Mine's # 57

[SmallHurst]

My stinky H/O! The original owner failed to send in paperwork for the little owners tag. I have never tried to search out the original owner as he spent time in the 'iron bar hotel'.

[RM Schimel]

Bird Man


Wow 200K-not too bad for a clone. Wonder what a real one with perfect docs is worth?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ PHS is nice but really only comes into play on cars worth more than 30 or 40K -RM

[JOZW30]

HO455,

First, sorry if I offended you or anyone else with my opinions.

As for that e-bay car, I stand by what I said. I can't tell whether it's real based on the info in the auction. If I was forced to make a decision on that particular car without seeing it in person, I'd keep my money in my pocket and wait for a car with better documents. Anyone on this forum buying this car without climbing all over it in person?

Like you & others have said, the seller has gone to a lot of trouble to create a comfort level regarding the authenticity of this car. For me that says there is nothing "bulletproof".

Therefore, back to my original comments, I'd treat this thing like a "could be" W30, and would not pay top dollar. Unless while looking at it the seller produced something that could not be questioned. You’re talking about being “fooled”, what is so tricky about this?

Maybe because I'm a poor schmuck and couldn't afford to be wrong about something like this. I'm guessing most guys that can spend this kind of money on a hunk of metal and plastic won't miss meals when it comes time to sell it and they’ve learned it's not real.

By the way, how does what the car sounds like 36 years later have anything to do with its authenticity?

As for the 69 H/O "kit", didn't see where it included the one-of-a-kind intake, and air-cleaner assembly ($$$$$$$$). But I guess there are people out there that would be fooled without them..........

Again, sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.

[olredalert]

-------I dont think you hurt anyones feelings, JOZ, but you must admit there arent many on this sight that wouldnt go and look at a $200,000 purchase. At the very least anyone on here would send a qualified agent. I dont think anyone else here would consider this W30 an absolutely real car without seeing it either. The upper-end bidders on this 442 probably have already done their due diligence, and if they havent and end up with a clone, albeit a very good one then as far as Im concerned its their problem. Educate thyself, buyer!!!........Bill S

[JOZW30]

I agree Bill, that's exactly what I've been trying to say.

Quote: "Anyone on this forum buying this car without climbing all over it in person?"

Joe

[HO455]

Hey JOZW30

I was just kidding around with you. I agree on this Blue 1970 W-30 E-bay car though. It really presents a lot more questions than answers. Take good care! John

[JOZW30]

It's all good John. It's a strange "hobby" right now.

I'm glad at this point I'm not into it for the profit. I sold a frame off 68 H/O a few years back & it's funded the two cars I have now (72 W30 4 speed & 83 H/O). I hope to hang on to these because things have changed so much over the last couple of years, I couldn't afford to replace them with anything I'd like.

The seller of the blue 70 really should take the money and run based on the auction info.

Joe

[Stefano]

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Oh well, I just still don't agree that it's that easy to fool someone that knows about these cars.


Hey JOZW30 ,

Is it live or Memorex? Tell me if you believe this one to be authentic? You seem to think that a well-done clone can fool none of the Olds guys. Tell me with your W-30 expertise whether this one is real or fake? I have my own opinion after seeing it & hearing it run at the fall 2006 Mecum auction. It also had a very unique broadcast sheet that had NO mention of W-30. The owner has a reason for this though that sounds legit. Right!!! I guess this Muscle Car Review magazine is supposed to prove some level of authenticity also as if they were not converting/cloning cars way back in the late eighties. Good luck! But it had ALL THE RIGHT PARTS. Thanks Parts Place! The owner seems to be willing to do or say anything to establish some level of credibility for this car. But you should still be able to weed out the fakes for us novices. Maybe you better E-mail a few of the bidders and tip them off as to your take. Just my opinion though.

W-30 Convertible
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-W-30...1QQcmdZViewItem


Real Olds Power Chat

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=41977

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I had two Customers interested in purchasing this car, so I gave it a good look over at the auction. I could not determine if it was a real W30 or not?

The Broadcast card did not show the W30 option, while I have never seen an authentic W30 broadcast card without it, this could have been a factory mistake?

btw; Original Blank Broadcast cards, from the OEM have been avialable for years, many of these original blanks have also been sold on ebay! So, as a W30 Collector and Enthusiast a W30 Broadcast Card, "paperwork", is not an end all.

At least you can be very certain that the current owner did not have one of the ebay broadcast sheets made up.

W30s also would have had a specific gear ratio as std. or optional. Since the rear was Rusty and Crusty I could not see it?

The $$$$$ amount on Bill of sale to the second owner, which was present, was for far less than the value of a real W30 Convertible 4 speed, but was offered up as proof and validity.

We communicated with the "Original" Owner to see if he had any additional docs or Vintage Pics. He said that it was a real car and that everyone in town knew the car, but unfortunately no pics or additional docs?



All original sheet metal 1970 and 71 W30s which I have inspected have a factory inspection mark showing W30. I could not see it on this car? They were only built (at least 99%) at the Lansing Plant, in Detroit. But, parts could have been changed?

To those who do not follow these cars, only 96 were ever built in a Convertible and 4 speed, so they are worth the effort to try and validate.

Per John's Post. The VIN is not on the broadcast card, only the body sequence number, which corresponds to the trim tag.