New TRIM TAG law going into effect in Oklahoma!

[Lynn]

"...you have people right now that own cars that are "incorrectly" tagged with no intent to commit fraud. What you guys are basically saying is: "Too bad sucker. Now prepare to lose your arse." This is thus a financial hardship, and what I'm saying is that it will wreck the hobby."


So... someone passes me a counterfeit $100... Even if I find out it is counterfeit, it is OK to pass on, because it would create a financial hardship?

I buy a fake Renoir, Dali whatever... Even if I find out it is a fake, it is OK to sell it as genuine because otherwise it would create a financial hardship?

Don't get me wrong, I have much sympathy for the guy who purchased the car with the fake tag UNKNOWINGLY. But let's lay blame for this right where it belongs. On the guy who swapped the tag to begin with.

Charley has nailed it.

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Too easy...remove the fake tag. Yes it is not worth what it was but that is what happens when you buy a car with a fake tag. Hard to get sued if you sell it without a fake tag.

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Or, stamp "replacement tag" on it.

Just my two cents.

Lynn

[67rscoupe]

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What? Have you been drinking tonight? Heavily...?

Charlie-- You can't be serious. Navigate my scenario above (X66), and I'd like your thoughts.



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i agree!!!
what if somebody purchased a car for big dollars.then years later when he went to sell it and then discovered the fake tag?

your going to sit there completely surprised
the exact same look that a person that knew the tag was fake

now,the judge will be able to tell a innocent persons surprised look from a guilty persons surprised look?

now your supposed to let the court decide? just sit there and hope your average judge or jury will probably use common sense?


that worries me.

[67rscoupe]

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Too easy...remove the fake tag. Yes it is not worth what it was but that is what happens when you buy a car with a fake tag. Hard to get sued if you sell it without a fake tag.

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how do you do this when you sell your car and had no idea the tag was fake?

only a guilty party would know it was a fake tag...

now the car is sold! now your in court! you lose! now you pay big dollars! up to 3 times?

wow! that would just kill me! more than my house is worth!

explain that!

[elcamino72]

I'm 100% on board with this new legislation and I look forward to working in Pennsylvania to effecutate something similiar.

I may be a lawyer but I'm in this and 100% behind this law to protect other hobbyists, period. The hobby needs protection and thats what I do every chance I get.

Great work guys!!!

Bryan Shook

[70CitrusZ]

..of course the lawyers like the law..$$$$..(j.k).
I think my points may have been misunderstood, all I was trying to say was good luck trying to nail anyone with this law, there is way too much grey area. no one will benefit from it but the lawyers.
...By the way, the first comment of my paragraph is just meant as a fictional comedic relief, and in no way reflects my true feelings towards any individual either alive or dead, nor any group or faction, or necessarily any one who is was or has been a lawyer or any other meaning that might get me into more trouble than I can talk my way out of.

[70 copo]

I agree. IMO perhaps the best way to still get a bad guy is actually in civil court but likely only worth it on a big dollar car.

Unless GM produces the actual vehicle build records I do think the Oklahoma law is worth much unless the reproduction of the tags is regulated and recorded by the government at the point of sale, meaning that you and the government both know that the tag is potentially being purchaced to create a reproduction of a specific vehicle type.

Prerequsite: Identify and gain access to all the Fake TT sales records from the producers of these tags. Create a D base where a prospective customer could check the TT with the Government prior to purchase.

Next how to handle the "tag collectors". The material fact of a purchase becomes a perminant record that is associated with the tag and its content. Should someone choose to attach it to a vehicle then simply regulate the sale and transfer of the tag also. Make it illegal to attach it to a vehicle without registration and approval by the BMV.

BMV could then alter the title to state that the vehicle is a "REPRODUCTION" and the vehicle then becomes legal to sell as such.


The down side is if someone chooses to clone an existing car and fake the VIN# tag also. Then there may be two or more of one type of a specific car and establishing which one is the "real car" then could become the issue.

Of course all of the above would be utterly nuts to codify and enforce- IMO it really IS buyer beware.

[tryconcom]

Jeez Richard....

[Steve Shauger]

Moderators please edit the above post regarding the Streisand quote. Not needed or appropriate.

[VintageMusclecar]

Richard...that little closing comment is completely out of line.

Eric

[PeteLeathersac]

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Richard...that little closing comment is completely out of line.

Eric

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And surprisingly inappropriate coming from a retired naval officer?.

~ Pete