***WARNING*** 69 RS Z/28 on Ebay

[Charley Lillard]

Can you post a pic of the engine pad stamping ?

[kwhizz]

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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net.

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:





I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know???

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Here you go Charley.....

Ken

[kwhizz]

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken

[Hylton]

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what was done with the previous 2 owners i'm unaware.

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So how can you be so sure of your claim?

First off - Canada is a big place. The UVIP (used vehicle information package) you received for the car pertains to owners of the vehicle who lived in the Province of Ontario ONLY! It has nothing to do with anyone who owned the car in other provinces. Of the two owners you identify, the first one has come forward on this site and described quite accurately the condition of the car when he owned it. Are you calling him a liar? He had purchased the car from the Province of Quebec in 2002. The car could have had 10 owners in the province of Quebec from the years 1969 to 2002 when it moved to Ontario.

Your reasoning whould be akin to someone in New York State doing a search on a car at the NY DMV and saying the car only had 2 owners because that is what the NY DMV indicated. Who is to say the car did not spend time in NJ, Philly or Delaware?

One issue at a time! Let's deal with the COPO later.....

[Hylton]

This is not of that car:



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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net.

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:





I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know???

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Here you go Charley.....

Ken

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[Lynn]

Ken: I think Charley is wanting Jimmy to post a pic of the engine stamping from the car in question. The one you posted is not from this car, but just an example of American Classix work.

I would like to see a pic as well.

Lynn

[astanton]

Gentelmen, I did not have any intentions of misleading anyone and resent those of you that have made that assurtion. For me this is an instance of no good dead goes unpunished. The appraisal I did was never suppose to be used to sell the car i.e. as a market value appraisal. I wasvery frustrated when I was told it was mentioned in the ebay ad. If the car is not numbers matching I had no idea. As far as the 68 Camaro on my website goes, the car was purchased the way you see it. Once again I had no intention of misleading anyone and was unaware of any problems with the block numbers and trim tag until they where mentioned here. Please don't jump to conclusions regarding my personal integrity. If anyone would like to contact me I can be reached at 417-327-2582 to discuss this further.

[Hylton]

Alan,

If what Jimmy says is true regarding the irregular panel alignment as well as seeing the underside of the car completely painted black, how can you appraise this car as a number 1 condition car?

How can you value it as 90,000 dollars when you have not even done any reasearch or made any attempt to contact previous owners? Did you just take Jimmy's word for it that it was an original numbers matching 29,000 mile car? What sort of due diligence do you do when writting up an appraisal? After all, he did have the UVIP which showed the 2 past owners and you could have at least called them up to verify the accuracy of his claim.

[Stuart Adams]

I find your post absolutely ridiculous. It's things like this that leave an unsuspecting buyer with crappy goods.

I don't believe you for 1 second.

[astanton]

Hylton,

Let me start by saying I am not an appraiser by profession. I live in a small town and am routinely ask to provide owners and insurance companies with valuations. I am very clear that it is my opinion and that in many cases the insurance value and market value my differ greatly.

Yesterday I recieved a call from a bidder on this car who wanted my to ask me some questions. After explaining to him the confusion on the appraisal and giving him my opinion of what the car was really worth he had some questions. Because it had been sometime since I had done the appraisal I volunteered to drive 30 minutes to take a look at the car before answering his questions. I informed him of the panel alignment issue and the fact that the drivers side rear quarter seemed to have been replaced at some time. I was also concerned regarding what appeared to be the remanents of an antenna hole on the right rear quarter panel.

I just pulled up the appraisal and reviewed it. I could not find anywhere on the appraisal where I state that the miles are original or otherwise. Additionally I did not state anywhere that the body etc. retained all of the original GM panels.

As far as the numbers go I based my opinion on viewing the numbers. Once again, this appraisal was never meant by me to be used as a marketing tool.

Also, you can bet this will never happen again. I am officailly out of the appraisal business.