Unique Shelby Convertible for sale

[quick-bowtie]

WOW!! This sounds like something for Dr. Phil. I cant believe this, kinda makes me want to put all my cars in a pile and burn them! I thought this was suppose to be a fun hobby if a buyer cant do his own intelligent research before buying a car he has NO business buying it in the first place. I didn't see where (Golfer) was at all out of line or trying to B.S. anyone! Maybe he didnt do his research before he advertised but he has come back and corrected himself and seems like a stand up guy! I cant see someone coming on here and trying to pull the wool over someones eyes when this sight is full of knowledgeable guys. Im all for having a heads up and knowing the history on a car and knowing the facts but this has been blown out so far out of wack its CRAZY..As hard as it is to find "GOOD" cars these days. Id personally like to say sorry for all the b.s. GOLFER and even though you car isnt something that Id go for your next one might be.. So if you have anymore "GOOD" cars in the future forsale please post them and if you've been turned off by this sight your more than welcome to email me with what you come across.

Insted of ripping cars apart or making 3rd party remarks and pissing people off and turning others away from a great site.. I think if someone is REALLY INTERESTED in a car in the forsale ads, he should step up and put a post saying he is FOR REAL AND INTERESTED in the above car and ask for anyone with important information to PM them.. and not drag this out for everyone else to read when they have NO INTENTIONS of buying the car.. It just seems like a bunch of old ladies bickering and make its not fun to even look at the post. I always try to keep to myself but I do enjoy this site and respect all its member but the trashing has got to stop!

[golfer]

Hey Quik Bow tie,

I appreciate your remarks and agree it sounds like Dr Phil, or maybe Perry Mason. I certainly did not mean to start this firestorm, but I think it does illustrate one important point. Before we slam another persons car in public maybe we should PM them to see if they will correct any known errors. As I have demonstrated, I will certainly correct any of mine.

One other point, Les is obviously a knowledgeable and stand up guy. But I have a basic problem with the way this is turning out and how some members have responded. Let me give everyone an example.

Assume a guy named Bill puts headlines in the newspaper stating he has friends, who are anonymous, that claim you shot the neighbors dog. You provide three witnesses, all whose names are made public, who claim you did not shoot the neighbors dog that you were playing poker with them in another town at that time.

There are two ways to resolve this. You can hire a forensic expert for $1000.00 to run fingerprint and balistics tests and provide this evidence to the police in three weeks. In the alternative, Bill, can provide the names and phone numbers of his anonymous sources and in one or two days the issue will likely be resolved at no cost to anyone.

Some on this site claim Bill has no responsibility to provide any hard evidence or to produce his witnesses. But this is not only inadmissable "heresay" evidence, it is being found guilty first and then having to prove your innocence. I take the opposite view, I believe one is innocent until proven guilty. Thus I believe Bill has an obligation to produce evidence and witnesses to back his claim.

As I have demonstrated, I will correct anything I find to be incorrect in my statements about my car. But now prior owners of the car have taken my side and adamately stated that no parts were removed from my car. I would really like to find out the truth and put this to rest. I think there is an easier, cheaper, and more equitable way to try and find the truth then the suggestion that I hire an expert to look over my car. While I may do this, that will not be cheap and it will take a couple of weeks. On the other hand, calling Les' heretofore anonymous friends and finding out exactly what part was bought and how they know it came off my car will take a few minutes and cost essentially nothing. I will gladly make those calls and report what I find on this site.

Chip

[Stuart Adams]

Mike, Yes sir documented issues were brought up here. In the Registry in front of me right now it states in 1988 it had 24,000 miles!!! It also states on 8/1/69 at Paul Miller Ford in Lexington, KY there was engine repair done including BLOCK, PISTONS,VALVES,INTAKE and TOW with 891 miles on it. On 11/20/69 replaced plug wire, #4 rod spun, BLOCK and gaskets, 6068 miles. These are DOCUMENTED in the Registry in writing. These were all brought up here, the glaring one is how is the mileage is explained, huh.
I'm non-biased and level headed, but when called out I feel I must respond with honest facts that are in WRITING.

This car could have all the correct parts, I don't care and never said they did not, but the car was posted for sale here and these issues were discussed, from the Registry.

What did you think would happen when someone is going to spend 400K on a car? They will look in the Registry first.

[mister_copo]

A very interesting post indeed. We can all be thankful that registries hold such info on the rare ones, and that knowledgable people are found on sites like this.

I take no side on the thread before me, but would lend to say that shelling out a grand on a professional buyers review for what is evidently a very rare car, is a small price to pay for a car that will garner large dollars for many years to come. I also recognize the comments that Les stated in that this car is beautiful nonetheless, and agree with him that this car can and will without doubt, set a new benchmark for Shelby drop top pricing.

Perhaps a more extensive review should have been done before it was purchased by the current owners rather than a debate about spending the money after recent claims. If I was advertising a car at 375K or anywhere there abouts, i'd already have done that to ensure I am 100% correct in what is being marketed. Spending the dough on a qualified inspection goes without saying when purchasing a car north of 6. Hell with so many Shelby collectors in and around Atlanta, I would bet a couple judges would surface at a discounted rate just to get close to this or any Shelby for that matter.

Here's to this thread being kept civil...

[golfer]

Mr. Copo,
I appreciate your comments and as I have just stated, I will probably have the car inspected. Also, I did sufficient due diligence before purchasing the car and this new inspection will take a week or two. However, the question is not whether I did sufficient inspection before purchasing the car but raher the rumors floating around that parts have been sold off the car. I would point out that Les appears to be saying that the parts starting missing through several owners after the Monteray auction. There have only been 2 owners since that auction, Worldwide and me - and neither of us have sold parts off the car.

To confirm are deny these rumors right now, my simple question is why don't you think that Les has an obligation to provide me with at least one name an phone number (of several he claims he knows) of someone who has reportedly purchased a part off my car? Since the car's prior owners say this never happened, it would seem this would be a quick and easy way to get to the truth. It would also be the gentlemanly thing to do.

Heck, I would even take the names and phone numbers of some of the MCA senior judges that Les indicated claim to know that parts have been removed. I will call them to ask them when they did their inspection and what parts are missing. Then I will have a qualified person inspect the car with particular attention to these so called missing parts.

Mr. COPO, what am I missing here? What makes this request for a couple of names so wrong? Do you believe it is fair to make public claims diminishing the value of another persons car without being held responsible for providing reasonable proof that the claims are true? Let me emphasize I am not suggesting that Les has made knowingly false statements. Rather, I believe he has repeated rumors or statements from some of his friends about missing parts. I just want to speak to a couple of these people to see if they have facts to substantiate the claim.

Mr COPO, please tell if you think this requset is unreasonable? I have even made the request by PM.

Golfer

[gemleeus]

when did the post get so far out of whack? a firestorm? i must have missed it. chip has lots of good cars for sale, ya seen his website?

[Rick H]

Oh darn it, I'm out of popcorn!

Rick H.

[golfer]

Hey guys,

Get some more popcorn. I don’t know why there are some differences in the miles shown on between the various auctions and possibly the Shelby registry. But here is a hint, it is easy to get numbers wrong or transpose them when you are typing in information. And even Shelby guys can make an error.

How do I know this? Let me explain. I have a 1966 Shelby 350 that was judged at the Shelby national meet in Michigan in 2004. My VIN is S2346. The VIN on my scoresheet was listed as S2356. Both I and the Senior Judge, who will verify this, corrected this error at the meet. This should have been an easy fix since my car was one of only two that scored premiere, the highest award level.

A few weeks later I get a nice award plaque with my name and the premiere award, but the VIN is still wrong. I contacted the Shelby folks again who assured me they would correct the error in their permanent records, but they had no additional plaques to give me a correct one. No big deal about the plaque.

A few weeks back I get the official publication of the national shelby club (SAAC), the Shelby American Magazine, edition 74. In this magazine there is a nice review of the Michigan meet and on page 27 is a listing of the award winners. There I am with one other premiere recipient, and the VIN number is still wrong! Makes me wonder if the mileage question concerning the Shelby register and the auction house might just be a similar mistake.

The bottom line, we all make mistakes and sometimes get our numbers confused, even us Shelby nuts.

Golfer

[Mr70]

[Stuart Adams]

Get the car inspected by an independent expert in Shelby's and this would be all cleared up, IMO. If I was buying or selling this car I would want to know for sure what I have. It doesn't cost that much compared to 375K. I hope you sell the car and the educated buyer is happy in the end.