69 Camaro Body in the Crate

[70 copo]

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Let's face it, the only parts of a car that I.D. it as "that car" are the areas where the VIN itself is stamped. Cut those out and weld them into the corresponding areas on a better body and, bodaboom-bodabing, instant rust-free survivor. Whether it's right or wrong is up to you,but you haven't technically removed the VIN, since it's still connected to the "car". What's your definition of "car" or "automobile"?

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Your described procedure would absolutely be a felony under federal law. Not even a maybe. Eventually someone would find out, and if the info got to an interested law enforcement type, you would lose the car, it would be confiscated and if you were the person who did the switching you would be prosecuted as well. I am telling you this from a "legal beagle" standpoint, having worked on some of these types of cases.

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Right -- I see your point, but since you are the subject matter expert on this topic, I was hoping you could point us to some supporting case law, a law, statute, regulation, (federal or State) or even guidance to help us wade through this complex issue.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated

Phil

[Belair62]

Guys I assume the folks who commissioned these bodys did their homework and they are legal to make and sell....in the hands of hobbyists (?) is where any fraud would take place...documenting areas of differences will be the most important thing...they are here so it's not going to stop..it's going to be like trim tags from here on out...if people know the differences in the structure they will try and make those more correct too.

[Canucklehead]

Did'nt Boyd Coddington just get spanked for vin tampering with a bunch of some other guys? Something about vinning some new customs with old vins to get around the insurance and government regulations. That guy gets oilerier the more i read about him!!

[olredalert]

--------I dont think it was insurance and govt regs as much as simply no one wanting to pay sales tax on the true price of a bunch of very expensive custom built cars..........Bill S

[Pantera]

Thanks nysteve for setting that straight. I almost got caught up in a problem like that and I was trying to warn these guys that they could be setting themselfs up for big problems if they change a factory vin # on to something like this.

The feds are just not too easy to get along with when they think you have done something wrong.


Pantera

[njsteve]

No problem! I'd rather give everyone some free, accurate legal advice now, and prevent some BIG heartaches (and legal bills) later.

[RichSchmidt]

But the makers of this body are still insisting that the entire body itself is just a "replacment panel" to repair rust damage.As I have stated before.Some repaired original cars end up with not much more then about 20 pounds of original metal clippings holding together 1000 pounds of replacment panels.When you are talking about repaired originals that needed every part expet the windshield frame replaced,how is it still an original car anyway.They repop the upper firewall panels,the frame rais and everything else.Even if you fixed an original,there is a good chance it wouldnt have any hidden VIN's when you were done.

As for rebodies,they are legal with 32 fords.A friend of mine bought a full real steel car with a rusty body and a good frame.He put a glass body on it and registered it with the VIN numebrs off the frame.That is totally legal and the DMV had no issue with it.Boyd was using VIN's on cars that didnt have even have a scrap of metal with the original VIN on them.

[americanmusclecars]

The body panels are E-coated. However, before they can be spot-welded together the E-coat must be removed to assure complete metal contact on both ends of the spot welder to make a perfect weld. Upon completion the car will then be primed or sent as is if so requested by end user.

[americanmusclecars]

What differences do you expect to see between a Fisher body and a Dyna-corn Camaro body? A camaro was shipped to Taiwan, dis-assembled and then reversed engineered and the body panels were duplicated.

[camarojoe]

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What differences do you expect to see between a Fisher body and a Dyna-corn Camaro body? A camaro was shipped to Taiwan, dis-assembled and then reversed engineered and the body panels were duplicated.

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Probably more differences than you can even count... Are there ANY Taiwan Camaro reproduction parts (even small ones) that a trained/experienced eye can't distiguish from real GM? If there are, its a short list. I highly doubt there will be much trouble identifying a complete Taiwan body of over 800 of these repro pieces welded together.