Restamping blocks??????????????

[mr 707]

i had one of my old 67 corvettes(( sold it in 1992)) show up on ebay. it was a green 67 convertable with a tan interior 327-300 hp bought from the original owner. 15 years later it was on ebay as a 427-435 with tank sticker and pro- tecto plate . i still have the original tank sticker from the car. lol .

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mr 707</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i had one of my old 67 corvettes(( sold it in 1992)) show up on ebay. it was a green 67 convertable with a tan interior 327-300 hp bought from the original owner. 15 years later it was on ebay as a 427-435 with tank sticker and pro- tecto plate . i still have the original tank sticker from the car. lol . </div></div>

Oh boy would I have fun with the builder (frauder) of that car right after I got the police involved especially with original paperwork in hand. I would back trace the history until I found the guy and set him up in a conversation where he would hopefully sing like a bird. Bye bye blackbird! I have ZERO time and patience for these people!

[black69]

I doubt in court, a piece of paper without the VIN on it, would do anything. I.e tank sticker.
Now if you had a continuous non interrupted video of the body coming off the car for the first time, showing the VIN on the frame and the untouched tank and THAT tank sticker, maybe. Maybe.
But once that tank sticker leaves the car, it could belong to any car.
Odds are that guy has nothing to worry about, unfortunately.

Now I know an original owner of a 67 435hp coupe, that still has his original engine (car sold years ago). Now the car is out there with a restamp. Not an easy slam dunk lawsuit (if he did not want to sell me the car, after I buy the engine). He could go out to his garage and grind off the restamp, and I am stuck with an engine forever, I didn't need. This car bugs me, with so many restamps out there, I could actually have a real one with a real born with engine.

[58wanted]

Hello Bob,

What is the vin number of that 427/435?

Tim H.

[Lynn]

Agree 100%. Would it be nice to be the original owner? Sure.
Is an affidavit from the original owner bullet proof? Absolutely not.
To me, the expert opinion of a stamp's authenticity is worth way more than the affidavit.

[Mr70]

Agree.
S***,there's a few original owners out there today claiming they still have their original born with engine,when they really don't,and they know it.

[mr 707]

In ohio theirs been some well known cases. One for sure is the judge who bought a so called 1967 427-435 vette. AS i recall its a felony to restamp a vin without law enforcement present. Adding fake documents made to look like originals doesnt look good in front of a judge. I always do a previous owner seach to see what they say about a car. the 2 lasts owners are usually on the title. You buy a picasso at auction thats represented as real and its turn out it isnt you have recourse.

[fiveforty]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mr 707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In ohio theirs been some well known cases. One for sure is the judge who bought a so called 1967 427-435 vette. AS i recall its a felony to restamp a vin without law enforcement present. Adding fake documents made to look like originals doesnt look good in front of a judge. I always do a previous owner seach to see what they say about a car. the 2 lasts owners are usually on the title. You buy a picasso at auction thats represented as real and its turn out it isnt you have recourse. </div></div>

Was that the blue aluminium head car?

[iluv69s]

I guess one can never have 100% proof that the motor is 'born with'... I am sure there are experts here that could build an undetectable LS-6..or COPO... let's face it... If the experts say it is original, that is all we can go by. They are who everyone calls to document originality anyway.
I know there are experts that have made mistakes, but atleast I believe the vast majority of the real 'experts' nowadays are sincere and honest..(ie... Verne, Rick, Kurt S.. etc.)
Not talking about just your local appraiser that is a 'supposed expert' on all makes and models. I'd have much less faith in an appraiser/documentation from those type appraisers. Although a few cars I have bought had those type appraisals/docs, I saw obvious mistakes in the apprasials about original equipment, etc. I would never trust them and always decided on my own if car was original/correct before purchase. Ive never hired an expert/appraiser prior to purchase, but have enough knowledge to know what I am buying. That's why I usually stick to Camaros.
But bottom line is it is wise to hire an real expert PRIOR to purchase if you don't know enough about the car you are about to buy.
Also I would much rather have an unrestored barn find w long time storage/ownership than a car that has been restored. Even some of the most well known collectors did some shady things many years ago with these cars..sometime without any malice or never realizing the future.

my .02

[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;I am sure there are experts here that could build an undetectable LS-6..or COPO&quot; </span> There is just too much info in certain data-collector's files that would make this highly unlikely. Some data bases can tell you when certain elements of gang stamps were changed out (i.e. certain alphanumerics had defects or slight skew in the way it was stamped) at the various plants. As long as these fellows could scrutinize the stampings, I doubt they would pass scrutiny if they were forged. JMO. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]