1970 Ls6 Convertible

[Charley Lillard]

" and the one thing that was always stressed by other collectors to me, (especially when starting out) was buy the gun..not the story".... I consider the Black RS car the Gun... Paperwork would be nice but not imperative on that car. As I said earlier, each car has its own circumstances. Yes paperwork is great but sometimes the cars speak for themselves. The RS COPO discussed here is schedualed for a restoration where I'm sure there will be many pics taken of it in its current condition and as it is coming apart. Those pics will become part of that cars History and would help answer any questions later on that might be asked by prospective future buyers.. "It is always better to buy a car with paperwork and documents then without..A documented car with unquestionable docs will always bring more money than a similar non-documented car regardless of "owner" history or who is sellling... " I agree but that does not mean the car with no paperwork is not worth having. You can ask KS his opinion but even he has tried to buy the car I am talking about. He might use the no paperwork part to try and get it cheaper but he still wants the car.

Point taken..Keep in mind though the Yenko post was after research and talking to others that I do repsect, AND it wasn't anything other than relaying a known history....If you look "they" are referenced as the ones that mentioned it appeared to be a rebody..Not me..

"I made a few inquires here and after a few discussions located the car. The current owner has had the car about 1 year, and after talking to him knows the "history" on his car. I have also talked to a few other people that know the car and they feel comfortable that the car was a "firewall back rebody." It is still a bonafide Yenko VIN, just not an original sheetmetal car. "


I merely relayed the info and took the "heat" for telling the facts...Think of this..since I made the info "public" let's say someone goes to buy the car...should they automatically "right it off??" NO..they should read what what said, and allow the car to "tell" them what is the correct answer basedon their own views....then they make their own mind up as to whether to buy...

All I did there was post facts..whether others choose to believe them is another story..Some believe Oswald shot Kennedy...My training at MTU and trying to duplicate the act tells me otherwise...It is up to the individual to figure out which they believe..Same with these cars..Given the situation I'll consider who the owner is, but I won't buy for that reason alone...I'll buy based on the documentation that supports the car..

[camarojoe]

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Point taken..Keep in mind though the Yenko post was after research and talking to others that I do repsect

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My point exactly.

[Mr70]

Yountto
You must believe this LS6 Convertible is authentic as the seller States in his ad,even without Bonafide Documents or paperwork to back it up.
*You are the originator of this topic,possibly to get public opinion on it before bidding?
*You have bid numerous times on it as 427_king?
*It is in your Home State,yet you state you know nothing about it,nor have even made the trek to go see it,and yet still bid on it?
*You knew about this Car in the past,as we all did from Ebay auctions,so it sounds somewhat like you have regrets in wishing you obtained it earlier?

Understand I am asking you sincerely,and not bashing you or this Chevelle in anyway,just trying to understand your position on it.
Rick

Charley,

I am not saying I wouldn't want to buy it..lol Ity sounds like a neat car..I however wouldn't pay what a similar car WITH paperwork is bringing..I think this is where research comes in..It is only because of the recent 2-3 years and the obscene money being paid on these cars, that people's judgement has gotten clouded on whether a car is validated.. I think if more people stepped back and researched BEFORE buying there would be more of a "normal" market based on tiers of cars..that is 100% factory paperwork validated cars would be top, and subsequent tiers would be cars with less paperwork..this isn't what is really going on here...Any potential COPO (whether validated with factory paperwork or not)is selling at the same price a documented car is..There is a perceived limited amount of cars out there, and guys will pay whatever to own one..What is being forgotten is that these cars are only worth the money to other like minded collectors..Take a poll and see if your co-workers will pay 150k for a 1969 Camaro that has stripes saying "yenko" on them..Most will look stupid at you..Therefore the "value" is only here among other enthusiast..They are not "universally" accepted commodities such as gold, real estate, ect..If the hobby doesn't revert back to stressing factory paperwork over perceived rarity then there will be a lot of hurt feelings down the road..Just my opinion

Rick,

I will say that Chuck has emailed me offline and he knows more about the car than his post might indicate...This is a not a negative comment and shouldn't be perceived as such..

[Charley Lillard]

"If the hobby doesn't revert back to stressing factory paperwork over perceived rarity then there will be a lot of hurt feelings down the road..Just my opinion " I can find a plain SS Camaro with tons of paperwork but that doesn't mean I gotta have it. The Rarity has alot to do with it. In my opinion , even more than paperwork. If I could find a twin to this Black RS COPO and it had paperwork I would buy it instead but I don't know of any others that exist. A cool rare car is a cool rare car, even if it has no paperwork. Yountto might not be endorsing the Ebay LS6 but he is a bidder on it so I assume even he would own it even with no paperwork because it is a cool and rare car.

[yountto]

Simply put FACTORY docs stand the test of time to any buyer any time,heresay and opinions need to be rehashed everytime an undocumented car sells to a new owner.If the new owner has a different circle of friends than the last,the doubt gets harder to swallow.....Buying a car solely based on the owner history is absurd...wealthy and respectable guys make mistakes too...The only thing is they get to bail out of thier mistakes when the undocumented car sits next to 4 documented shiny six figure cars....An undocumented COPO in a showroom of 2 million worth of cars versus the same car from "Cletus" in virginia..whos gonna be ridiculed,and which ones gonna sell first???????

[Charley Lillard]

"An undocumented COPO in a showroom of 2 million worth of cars versus the same car from "Cletus" in virginia..whos gonna be ridiculed,and which ones gonna sell first???????"... What makes you think Cletus is gonna be ridiculed ? And why are you bidding on a car with no paperwork ?

[yountto]

I would buy the car if its real or not for my bid price....