Market for survivors...

[L72Biscayne]

Steve described it perfectly, "there's something for everyone in the hobby and that's what makes it great". I have a time capsule that mainly just sit and looks good right down to a driver with original paint with chips and small dents that I drive (hard) and enjoy it every day.

[Postsedan]

The best pictures I have seen on sYc.....Priceless

Dan

[RST]

Originally Posted by Postsedan

The best pictures I have seen on sYc.....Priceless

Dan

+1

[cook_dw]

That was my point Lee.. Thieves follow the money....

[MosportGreen66]

Here is my take on cars that get fluffed, and massaged (even by the top experts) and altered into survivor status - those cars will always be labeled as such. Period.

Especially in the world of Corvettes, the level of forensic study on these cars is incredible. The top tier judges study literally every bolt. They can tell when bolts have elongated markings showing when they've been taken off and put back on. They study how for instance the exhaust bolts show consistency with the exhaust system. They're aware of what plating typically ages faster/slower/discolors/changes, etc.

For example - I know of a wonderful '66 Corvette L72 Convert that was about 35% original paint, 100% original interior, and OEM/born with motor/trans/rear. It was largely unmodified but used and then fluffed in like 1999 ish. That car recently shows up to Bloomington and was flagged as having been reworked into a survivor. The work to the untrained eye was flawless but its a manufactured survivor. I'd own the thing in 1 second please don't think I'm bashing. OEM side pipes and tags too. Great colors. The concern, however, is that when you try to bring it to a Corvette show and falsify its 'untouched condition' - risky business.

In the world of Corvettes (and I believe also in Vintage Certification world), the manufactured survivors do not compare to those untouched.

Dan

[black69]

I think it is important that if a survivor /original condition car has been out there for a while, odds are it is legit. New finds coming out of the woodwork, never seen before, pose the need for more scrutiny.

I can see enhancements coming in checking for frauds down the road, as values are likely still heading north, although the super high dollar survivors are likely mostly all known.

[cook_dw]

Does anyone remember when driving these cars was fun and no one cared if something was 100% correct or original but more excited about getting them out and enjoying them..??.. WTF happened.. lol

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by cook_dw

Does anyone remember when driving these cars was fun and no one cared if something was 100% correct or original but more excited about getting them out and enjoying them..??.. WTF happened.. lol

Sure. I remember when they were just cars. I got my drivers license in May of 1968. Bought a 1964 327/300 HP powerglide equipped Impala SS convertible. Paid $650 for it. Drove it all summer and took it with me to college. Sold it for $500 and bought a 1967 Triple Black SS396 Chevelle with 4 speed, buckets and a console for $900. It had dog dish hubcaps which I didn't like at all. One of the guys in my dorm had a 1968 GTO which he added chrome mag wheels to. I offered him $50 for the Rally II wheels with redline tires. Put them on my Chevelle.

[427TJ]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Sure. I remember when they were just cars. I got my drivers license in May of 1968. Bought a 1964 327/300 HP powerglide equipped Impala SS convertible. Paid $650 for it. Drove it all summer and took it with me to college. Sold it for $500 and bought a 1967 Triple Black SS396 Chevelle with 4 speed, buckets and a console for $900. It had dog dish hubcaps which I didn't like at all. One of the guys in my dorm had a 1968 GTO which he added chrome mag wheels to. I offered him $50 for the Rally II wheels with redline tires. Put them on my Chevelle.

Now imagine all the stuff we took off of these cars and just threw into dumpsters!

[earntaz]

Originally Posted by 427TJ

Now imagine all the stuff we took off of these cars and just threw into dumpsters!

OMG -- the truth in that statement!!@#$%