Stripe Delete JL8 Z28

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phil...What we have <span style="font-weight: bold">here</span> is not first hand knowledge. It is being told to us by you saying a guy you know said he worked on the line. Doesn't mean it isn't correct but it can't really be positively relied upon. It could have come off the line that way but I would sure like to look at it up close. </div></div>

Charley,

That makes two of us. The first hand account of a Chassis side superintendent that ran the dog house area up on the second floor is pretty compelling however.

[Kurt S]

Compelling? He said it was possible. So did Bill.
Doesn't make it likely.

[70 copo]

Kurt,

I agree 100%. No proof it was installed on this car.

For the sake of fairness to the car however the term compelling is approporiate as the superintendent was successful in his lucid discription of the dog house build process detail to cause me to believe and agree that cosmetic production errors of this type did happen.

So, we have the black grill myth which came from some place -- and we now have a plausible explanation as to the cause. Now that does not make it correct... however if that is what happened it is hard to argue that such a car is not &quot;original&quot; as produced from the factory.

Than again why not trust Tom's word on what he says on this specific car so we can learn more about it?

[bergy]

As one who worked on the assembly line around this time period (St. Louis not Norwood), it always frustrates me to somewhat cavalierly assume that anomalies like this were simply &quot;worker error&quot;. I was the &quot;replacement employee&quot; and did every job on the line as part of my education. I can assure you that I would never have gotten away with selecting a wrong part that was as easy to spot as a grille. The guys around me were smart &amp; cared about the product that was rolling down the line. They were like hawks, waiting for the &quot;new guy&quot; to make a mistake &amp; teasing the crap out of him! New employees weren't just thrown into production without someone keeping an eye on them (early in the shift - relief men were available). Maybe hard to believe in this day of robots, but we really did look over each other's shoulder. The line workers were acquaintances and/or friends of the inspectors and repairmen down the line - it wasn't like they were 50 miles away in another town! Mistakes created work for them &amp; they were NOT happy about it.
There are other, IMO more likely, explanations - like damage in transit, changed out later because someone thought it looked cool, etc. Also curious that the hood has been replaced - could the grille have been damaged/stolen at the same time? No disrespect to the production superintendent (I was one too). If you ask - is something &quot;possible&quot;, you get a different answer than if you ask what the more &quot;likely&quot; explanation is.
OK - sorry for the rant - had to defend my fellow employees!

[70 copo]

Bergy,

Not one assumption made. I have the quality control records from the plant generated during audit. Here is the easiest page to put my hands on without digging into the storage files.

[Murphy442]

Love all the insights here. Maybe it's my non-confrontational nature but wouldn't it be easier to put a Silver grille in it and then never have it ever be questioned again? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Murphy442</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Love all the insights here. Maybe it's my non-confrontational nature but wouldn't it be easier to put a Silver grille in it and then never have it ever be questioned again? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div>

Unless you have rock solid proof it came the unconventional way then yes it would make more sense to comply with what the norm would have been.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It does a bit of a disservice to the originality portion of the discussion when normalitive practice takes priority over originality. With each consensious car that is created a bit more history is lost. </div></div>

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[DW31S]

Is there any paperwork to prove that &quot;--&quot; paint code cars either did or did not receive black grills. Surely mistakes DID happen, although those mistakes are quite rare. Lots to ponder here: the hood was changed--is the header panel original paint? Maybe the grill was changed/painted when the hood swap was performed. Maybe the original owner wanted the grill black; he/she obviously wanted something out of the norm, hence the stripe delete. Maybe transit damage. Maybe a lot of things. Without proof positive, we can only speculate. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, and maybe we can learn something new here, but to learn we must be open minded.

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It does a bit of a disservice to the originality portion of the discussion when normalitive practice takes priority over originality. With each consensious car that is created a bit more history is lost. </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Unless you have rock solid proof</span></span> it came the unconventional way then yes it would make more sense to comply with what the norm would have been. </div></div>


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