2 Yenkos and a ZL-1 at B-J

[Les Quam]

Hey Steve is there any reason we can't get an affidavit from the witness on this thread who knows the ZL-1 to be a re-body (I think Chuck is his name?) or at least send BJ a letter with the information contained on this thread so that they are put on notice in regard to the Zl-1?? It would be interesting to see if they altered their ad after receiving the information???

Or is that something that is not done in muscle car world?? You have been around forever whats the right thing to do here?

Is the old muscle car rule still in effect voiced so articulately by one of our most famous long time legendary collectors who knowingly sold a re-body to an unsuspecting buyer who later found out it was a rebody and called him for a refund and was told
"here is how it works, I got f****d when I bought it, then I f****d you, so you sell it and f**k the next guy"?

Oops... there I go off on another witch hunt acting like the collector car police again. This threads days are numbered sorry guys.

[427.060]

So, it seems that one well known Yenko collector has at least 3 known rebodied cars at this auction. Doesn't speak very highly on him.
James

[Charley Lillard]

Les...Act like a adult and you will last longer. I told you to start another thread about the COPO or Cuda if you had more to say but you chose not to. It got out of hand and was turning into name calling. It was also getting confusing talking about two different cars.

[Charley Lillard]

James....Gary Holub has always been very up front with people about his cars being rebodies. Some people have no problem with them and Gary is one of those people. The concern of the site members is that it gets disclosed properly at auction. The one negative so far is it's current description skirts around the disclosure.

[Mr70]

Is this Less Quam or Les Quam..

[427.060]

Thanks Charlie. I guess the question should be, did Gary tell BJ about the cars being rebodies and BJ decided not to put it in the descriptions? I would think that if Gary is always up front about the cars he would make sure the cars were accurately described to cover his butt.
James

[Charley Lillard]

I don't think Barrett would alter a description to cover up a rebody.

[Les Quam]

Charley,
I chose not to start another thread because unless Jim elects to repost what he has already posted the thread is a waste of time? I can't think of a reason he would rewrite everything all over again after all the abuse he received the first time? He is the person with the first hand information not me. My ONLY intention in discussing the other car was to prevent another prospective buyer from getting screwed. It actually matters to me when I see people get screwed in this hobby. It happens far too much and since no one is going to police our hobby for us it seems to me that leaves it up to us? If we, and I am as guilty as anyone continue to look the other way everyone in this hobby eventually suffer. Just ask any of the honest dealers who frequent this site how hard it is today to overcome the fears newcomers have when buying a high dollar muscle car for the first time? Its always been a tough road for muscle car dealers but each and every time someone buys a rebody or otherwise gets screwed it gets that much harder.

Recently a well known muscle car dealer was selling a 69 Yenko despite the fact the car had passed two sets of judges deeming the engine to be the "born with" engine the dealer still had his doubts based on his experience and things he had heard and put very clearly in his description that he thought it might be a restoration correct or restamped engine. This disclosure thereby allowed prospective buyers to make an INFORMED decision on their own. The dealer could have taken the easy road but instead took the high hard road making it that much harder to sell the car. My point is not everyone in this hobby takes the easy road and many care about unknown buyers and their integrity.

In regard to this thread I was wondering out loud if there was any desire on anyones part to gather the information in a coherent form and send it along to BJ. I doubt if the information was presented properly that BJ would ignore it? I would be happy to prepare an affidavit and send it along to BJ free of charge if I could get some help?

In regard to your "be an adult remark". I am very happy still thinking and acting like a kid. The thing about kids is they still believe in right and wrong and that we can make the world a better place. Imagine that?

[PeteLeathersac]

How could BJ or any auction house ever truly confirm the authenticity of any car and it's sale day components also why would they ever put themselves into this legally vulnerable position?.

What they can easily do at the very least is include the whole Vins w/ any and all advertising of vehicles listed for their upcoming sales also deny entry of cars who's Vins aren't supplied in enough time for them to list these Vins at least two weeks prior to or whatever time preceeding the sale date seems fair enough to allow prospective buyers to do their due diligence..


~ Pete

[PhilS]

That sounds good and it's something they can actually do without too much trouble on their part. There's alot of info on forums like this one (none better though) that anyone can access. If people choose not to research a purchase then who can they blame. I think that buying most collectibles is probably hazardous. Especially when the money gets big.