What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....

[americanmusclecars]

No. But I do think you were offensive. Love to see some pictures of your car!!

[camarojoe]

My apologies if my post came off as offensive... I believe a fathom green car should have a black rear panel. I did note that a true expert such as Brian Henderson or as someone else posted, the Camaro Research Group would have more actual data on it than me.

However with that said, I don't really see any harm in questioning details of any particular car, as this is how we all learn. Are we only allowed to question cars that don't belong to someone we know? If not for questioning, the vast improvements to restorations that have taken place in the past dozen or so years would not have happened and cars like Charley's SS from back then would still be done incorrectly. I'll be perfectly honest with you, I haven't even SEEN the article OR the car, so I sure as heck ain't nitpicking the car itself. As a matter of fact, when I saw "Hemmings" mentioned, my initial thought was that the car was in a for sale as within Hemmings Motor News, not an article in their magazine, although it really doesn't matter either way. Someone questioned if a fathom green SS396 should or shouldn't have the tailpanel blacked out and I simply responded to that question, as i know I have seen several unrestored cars in dark colors with black rear panels. I would have responded the same if it were a general restoration question or one about a specific car, as it was a good technical question and one that seemed logical enough both to ask and to answer. Maybe this car DID come that way, maybe the owner wanted that way, I really don't know... but it seems the "normal" procedure would be for any color SS396 Camaro to get the blackout rear treatment, which was what I was responding to.

I do agree there's way too much bashing of every car that comes on ebay or is printed in an ad or magazine, but at the same time I do feel that there is alot to learn by asking questions... That's how all of us gained whatever knowledge we have on ANY topic. Again, sorry if my answer to someones question was viewed as bashing someone's car, it was not intended that way. I'm sure there are several things on my Deuce that are incorrect too... there aren't too many perfect cars, but they will keep getting better if we keep researching and questioning and learning. JMO. -JB

[americanmusclecars]

Like you George, I agree, Dave is one of the best people I know. He has been there for me since my humble beginings in a 600 square foot shop trying to make a living. He has supported me and the shop financially for many years until American Muscle Cars Inc could stand on its own two feet and I am truely indebted to him. Not only did he support the shop financially, he also gave me the drive to succeed and has instilled in me to be honest, fair, and hard working, which at times is hard. Dave has been there for me in every aspect of my life......personally and carrer. He has guided me through bad times and good times. And Im truely proud to call him my best friend and I will defend him in any arena with anyone who question this mans character!

[442w30]

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No. But I do think you were offensive. Love to see some pictures of your car!!

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Mr. Thin Skin, here's exhibit #1!

[Stefano]

On the subject of Camaro Discrepancies: I had an Van Nuys built SS350 with a real 140 speedo. No 13/16" Sway Bar?

I have found two 13/16" Sway Bars on 1970 SS Novas.

[njsteve]

SWAYBAR ENVY

What's all this hoopla about 13/16" sway bars anyway?

Real musclecars have real sway bars.

Here's mine, all 1.25" of manly thickness.

Oh, and here's a photo of my sway bar, too.

[king_midas]

Anything is possible, and everything was available over the counter for a large number of years. If you read about it in a mag, it was available. I would think that the stuff that points to 9737 was added-on, or picked up from points elsewhere.

But, the difference here is that people are splitting-hairs on both sides. Who cares... 13/16", SCC, whatever...

Also, I must say that even back in the "I remember the good ol' days", very very few people actually placed special-orders. A family member of mine used to sell Chevys, and they sold them then like they sold them now-- Anything that was a pain in the neck to process was usually not, and the person either got what they got, or moved on to another dealer. Most people fail to remember this. Based on this, the likelihood of someone choosing to special-order the paint on the back of a Camullet, and some of the other options being bantered about in this thread, is highly unlikely.

Nice car none-the-less, and if the owner is happy, everyone else can stick it.

[ss427copo]

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I'm gonna take a break for awhile....there are more important things to attend to...

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I've been reading and reading and reading. Bruce, I agree.
Remember gentleman, this is a HOBBY. Life is too freakin' short to worry about a blacked out rear panel or the thickness of a tie rod. DON'T FLAME ME!

Bruce has a child who ain't 100%.....I have a child who died of leukemia...we all have our life situations. Just keep this car thing in perspective. And....anyone who can let me see my son smile one more time can have both of my cars..........no questions asked.

Jeff x2

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Lots & lots of '70 SS Nova's came with F41 suspension - which got you a 13/16" bar, obviously interchangeable with the Camaro.

I guess I missed the emotional connection between the technical merits of the car with the owner

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

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It's funny, when the initial post was put up abot Dave's Camaro being in Hemmings...right after his Z28 was on the cover last month...there was nary a word out of anyone...



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HERE HERE!! Aint that the truth!! I said exactly that.. saddened that so many could VIEW my post that a fellow Member got major print and so VERY few could even type the word Congrats!

As my friend Bruce already said.. Dave is one of the Good Guys in this hobby and one of my best friends. I have witnessed his generosity and honesty many times. When you question the article whether you intend to or not.. you question Dave's Integrity and trust me.. he has a ton of it!!! I am quite sure Dave provided the editors with what he knows and how he knows it.. can we all question it?? Sure.. but there is a thing called Tact! I don't know squat about Camaros.. but I know people and I can't even imagine how it would feel to have my car featured in HMM and then have people hiding behind a computer keyboard talking about the tecnical merits and not saying wayy too go!! kind of takes the Joy of it I would imagine Would it have been so hard to just say.. Nice Ride!! Not saying we aren't allowed to question things.. but lets just not forget this car belongs to a fellow Member here, David Lindsley( referred to as the Owner over and overe here ) and I am sure he was hoping that some of his Own, like any Club.. would say something nice.. but alas.. my other post about his Feature went down the tubes too...

Oh well, I am not looking to continue this any further and I am sure Dave isn't looking for anyone to come to his defense, but I sometimes have a hard time keeping my mouth shut, so that's why I am here.... and I am sure he is reading all of this and well, I guess just thought it was important that he hear from his FRIENDS that we all Love the car and we are glad the editors found it an interesting enough car to Feature ... you are a FIRST CLASS Man Mr. Lindsley!! Don't let em get you down!

Mike Crown