A different Point of View ....

[427TJ]

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(Lawyers again)

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So are any lawyers gonna' defend themselves here?

Kim: Corporations run this country, period. The lunatic fringes on both sides---on ALL sides---make a lot of noise but corporations control things. I love being a consumer and I love some of the stuff that corporations bring us but they control this place, not anybody else.

As for liberal educators, don't send your kid to those colleges. Doesn't (the late) Jerry Falwell have Liberty University? Send your kid(s) there. There are plenty of conservative colleges and professors out there. Do your homework and don't send your kid to a school with staff you don't agree with politically.

By the way, most college kids are liberal-ish because they're poor college kids and are feeling rebellious from being out on their own for the first time. They're also under intense pressure to get good grades and to succeed so they rebel against the pressure by lashing-out at authority (or hitting the keg). Ten years from now they will be invested in the American Dream and will slowly become more conservative and fall in love with making (and keeping) money. It happened to the Baby-Boomers. They exploded in the 1960s and brought us free love, free drugs, free sex, anti-war movements, acid rock, and on and on. Then they turned 25 and said to themselves, "Hey, I'd better get my s-it together and start making money because this colloge-kid poverty thing SUCKS." They went to Harvard and Wellesley and got their MBAs and law degrees and dove into the stock market in the booming 1980s. They may have hated Reagan publicly but they loved their stock portfolio's performance. Now many of the Boomers are very well off and although they wear old tie-dyed T-shirts to mow the grass, they drive BMW SUVs and Porsche Cayenne turbos and watch their stock portfolios VERY closely as they sip their Starbucks Chi tea.*

Getting back to your kids, you need to educate your children as much as you can yourself (you and the spouse) while they are growing up. Then, when some professor begins to spout his/her ideology in the classroom your child can say, "Wait a minute, that's your opinion and I have my own." It's up to parents to get their kids ready for life's little tests so that they can identfy BS and propaganda when they hear it. Don't send your kid to a college until you have done some investigation first. If they're too liberal then go somewhere else, it's like a radio dial: don't like what you hear? Switch stations or turn the damn thing off. You have freedom of choice in the United States and you can say no thank you and take your business elsewhere.

I had a few opinionated professors in college and I knew when they were sneaking-in their views in class. (That was the Reagan era and many profs would work-in their anti-Reagan views in History and Poli-Sci classes.) Lucky for me I had great parents who talked to their kids a LOT while we were growing up so I knew bull when I heard it--all kinds of bull from all angles. You have to skim that crap off the top to get to the information you need. The propaganda bounced off of me (okay, I think some of you are disagreeing with that) and I did my work and passed my exams and got the hell out of there. If you don't like a school's point of view then you have to either voice your disagreement and try to change things or move your kid out of there.

GET INVOLVED. Volunteer at your kids' schools. Get to know their teachers and other parents and what the curriculum is at the school. Don't just bitch about it, get involved. My kids come home and ask all kinds of questions all the time and my wife and I spend a lot of time explaining things to them. It's called raising your children. I try to allow them to keep an open mind and I try not pepper the explanation with too much of my own ideas. I try to present information neutrally and let them grasp the information for themselves and form their own points of view. Granted, they will grow up and be a lot like me in many ways but I want them to be themselves and make their own decisions. If they decide to be politically different than me then that's fine, just as long as they come by the house and have dinner once in a while.

*In 1985 when I was in college in the Bay Area I heard that Gerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead had been arrested in Golden Gate Park for posession (of illegal drugs). He was found passed-out in his--get this--BMW! So Mr. Flower-Power, Captain Trips, the father of the Summer of Love and free everything was found passed-out in his BEEMER! I laughed my ass off! What, a 1958 VW Bus isn't good enough for ya Gerry???? I hammered my liberal-ish friends on that one. I love the Dead but they loved their money just as much as any Reagan conservative--or anyone else with a brain does.

Time to drive more deck screws.

[Kim_Howie]

Bill, I like big Corps. They make everybody money, haven't seen a poor person make money for anybody yet. Your comment about getting involved is dead right done it my comm. for over 30 years.I have told several people Quit your bitching and get involved and change it.

[ANDY M]

I was told to always avoid the topics of religion or politics, but I feel opinionated today.
As an independent pragmatist, I prefer to base my opinions on documented fact, not biased opinions or party lines.

As has been noted here already, by the time a politician reaches the House or Senate, the need to be an acomplished liar is true, as both parties have been outed by the press repeatedly.

Please, for my education, name three media companies that are not biased in some way, shape or form. Of those three, find three more that won't refute your choices. All media outlets are run by people that don't so much as report the news, but record history from their own point of view, left, right or out of sight.

There has never been a Muslim country that was not run by a "Royal" family, brutal dictator or cleric. Check it out. Islam does not accept the concept of democracy, much less cultural diversity. The "Big Picture" of radical Islam is to restore the Caliphate of the time of Mohamad, whatever that is. Kuwait opted for democracy, had one election to vote in an all Islamist government, and that was that. Lebanon is a democracy, as long as it's alright with Syria, who believes that they should be in charge the same way Saddam thought he should be in charge of Kuwait. Of the 22 Arab countries in the world, none of them are democratic by any standard.

Nobody ever wins a civil war. The winner takes charge, and the loser waits for revenge. See: "The South will rise again". Sixteen years of cival war in Lebanon between Christians and Muslims ended with a bunch of these folks moving to Detroit, and no real solution. Christians have their towns, and the Muslims have theirs. Not real fair to the Christians that were driven out of the country, but those are the breaks when you live in the middle east.
Bagdad once had both large Christian and Jewish communities, as did Syria and Egypt, but no more. The Jews fled to Israel in 1948, and the Christians have been leaving steadily ever since. When the Jews won their war for indepenence, the arabs created "Palistinian Refugees". They got parked in Lebanon and Jordan mostly, but were denied citizenship in all Arab countries. These folks have been activly seeking revenge ever since, promting the hatred that drives radical Islam. Since then, this need for revenge has spread to become it's own civil war.

The Big Lie is believed when repeated often enough. See: Biased Liberal Media. Or Fox News. Or Al-jezera.
"Palistine" is a big lie. So is victory in Iraq or Afganistan. You have a better chance of discovering a cure for snoring that actually works. We can't succeed in imposing our point of view in less than 25 years, if that, and we can't leave with everything as screwed up as it is. NO CORRECT ANSWER. This is the Middle East.

Think Global. As brought up here, China is working to become THE world power. Problem is that when you have 1.3 billion people, and you need to create the modern infrastructure to support this population, the eventual shortage of natural resources will cause some kind of implosion, ala the Soviet east bloc countries. Nobody has brought up India, which has a population of over a billion people. Same scenario as China. Guys, the pie cannot be enlarged. The ability to produce steel, oil and other such products will be outstripped by demand. Every country wants to live as lavishly as we do, and it's already a global dilemma.
Pollution is so bad in Beijing that when the Olympics are held there next year, the world will be apalled. When reality sets in, then people will try to solve the problems caused by this Global dilema. Regretfully, not in our lifetimes. This is just the northern hemisphere we're talking about. Don't even get me started on the southern one.

[nuch_ss396]

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Agreed!!!
The teaching liberals make me ill. They are also destroying this countrys moral fiber. They love to push the Gay agenda, and while i don't have a problem with homosexuality, it does not need to be in the face of impressionable kids ALL THE TIME.

I am scared for what my 2 1/2 year old son will face.
Luckily i will be vigilant in his upbringing.

John

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But that's it John, they do need to push that crap to our
children early on in life. They are grooming a whole new
generation to be tolerant. As you mentioned, I also don't
have any major issue with the "alternate" life style, but
I don't want anyone elses agenda being pushed onto my
children. Much like us, when they are older and wiser and
more able to deal with the issue in general, so be it.

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

Bill,

What do you charge per ticket for your seminars?

I think you should come to my house for a talk with my daughters

Steve

[kwhizz]

Time to drive more deck screws.


Bill.......I agree with "Everything" you said......Point well Taken........

Ken

(See ....I didn't mention anything about Lawyers)

Besides........They can't Defend themselves......they go either way....depending upon who's Paying.....LOL

[427TJ]

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I also don't have any major issue with the "alternate" life style, but I don't want anyone elses agenda being pushed onto my children.

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Makes me think of a Michael Jackson joke:

What did the woman say to Michael Jackson at the beach?

"You're in my son."

[427TJ]

Ken, Steve, everybody:

[427TJ]

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Bill,

What do you charge per ticket for your seminars?

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Naah, this is as far as I go with my opining . You guys get the best of me and no one else.

[Kim_Howie]