Restamping blocks??????????????

[mr 707]

you stamp numbers on the block your asking for legal trouble.

[ss427copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMHO -- &quot;Born with&quot; and &quot;original to the vehicle/car&quot; mean &quot;that's how she came from the factory&quot;. The exception to that is when those (example - Don Yenko) pulled a 396 and stuffed a 427 in its's place. TAZ </div></div>

Or when BWAG did the same when Ol Yeller was delivered 12/68. Bob told me &quot;we yanked the L89 and put in the Booth-Arons L72 almost immediately. The L89 sat on the parts room floor at the shop for months and folks at my dealership scavenged it for parts&quot;. OMG, if he only had a crystal ball!

[Woj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good Lord.....this topic has been previously discussed to death on this forum and many others, with absolutely no clear consensus of opinion. Where's the 'beating a dead horse' icon when we need it? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] </div></div>

Amen. I guess it depends on what your definition of &quot;is&quot; is. Or something like that. Sheesh.

Phil W.

[SS427]

Like many political issues if we just sweep them under the rug they just fester and never go away. With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized. That and many can be named so as to bring them to the forefront so that more people learn to shy away from them. Also we are helping to educate buyers as to what to look for when buying a car or at the very least attempt to show them how important it can be to hire a professional to inspect their car potentially saving them thousands of dollars. Personally I do not think this subject can be discussed enough.

[EZ Nova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like many political issues if we just sweep them under the rug they just fester and never go away. With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized. That and many can be named so as to bring them to the forefront so that more people learn to shy away from them. Also we are helping to educate buyers as to what to look for when buying a car or at the very least attempt to show them how important it can be to hire a professional to inspect their car potentially saving them thousands of dollars. Personally I do not think this subject can be discussed enough. </div></div>

I agree. Just because we are &quot;in the know&quot; on this site, doesn't mean everyone out there is! Like SS said &quot;With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized&quot;.

What's sad is, I'm just a guy from SW Ontario who likes cars, has a couple and a bit of knowledge I pick up along the way. I got into this heated discussion YEARS ago with a well known, high end dealer about a car from my home town. He did pretty much the exact same thing. Bought a car that I PERSONALLY knew, restored it, and was asking LARGE for a L78 1970 Nova, in fact, he turned down $78,000.00 I believe because he mentioned something along the lines of &quot;Where will you find a NUMBERS MATCHING restored L78 '70 Nova for that price. When I questioned him on the original motor, he said &quot;they found it in a nearby state&quot; and that it &quot;was authenticated&quot; by chevy GURU. Well we went back and forth for a bit and there was plenty on here questioning ME and my right to raise the question of this well respected dealer. WELL low and behold, the owner of the original engine showed up to support what I was told and stated he STILL HAD the engine, as well as documents and photos of the motor being PULLED from that car and going into his. The seller got quite after that.

I'm just bring to light that there seems to be more then a few holes in the whole deal, re-stamps and questionable scrap/wreaking yard body. And letting the &quot;buyer beware&quot; that this could possibly be a rebody restamp piece together car as I have spoken to the original owner who sold the car WITHOUT the original motor back in the '70's. And when he searched for the car, and found it had been scrapped, he went to the wreaking yard and the owner said &quot;they crushed it a few months ago&quot;???? But yet is shows up now, with &quot;numbers matching&quot; attached to it???

SHADY money hungry seller that is putting a bad light on our hobby.

[RJS]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EZ Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like many political issues if we just sweep them under the rug they just fester and never go away. With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized. That and many can be named so as to bring them to the forefront so that more people learn to shy away from them. Also we are helping to educate buyers as to what to look for when buying a car or at the very least attempt to show them how important it can be to hire a professional to inspect their car potentially saving them thousands of dollars. Personally I do not think this subject can be discussed enough. </div></div>

I agree. Just because we are &quot;in the know&quot; on this site, doesn't mean everyone out there is! Like SS said &quot;With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized&quot;.

What's sad is, I'm just a guy from SW Ontario who likes cars, has a couple and a bit of knowledge I pick up along the way. I got into this heated discussion YEARS ago with a well known, high end dealer about a car from my home town. He did pretty much the exact same thing. Bought a car that I PERSONALLY knew, restored it, and was asking LARGE for a L78 1970 Nova, in fact, he turned down $78,000.00 I believe because he mentioned something along the lines of &quot;Where will you find a NUMBERS MATCHING restored L78 '70 Nova for that price. When I questioned him on the original motor, he said &quot;they found it in a nearby state&quot; and that it &quot;was authenticated&quot; by chevy GURU. Well we went back and forth for a bit and there was plenty on here questioning ME and my right to raise the question of this well respected dealer. WELL low and behold, the owner of the original engine showed up to support what I was told and stated he STILL HAD the engine, as well as documents and photos of the motor being PULLED from that car and going into his. The seller got quite after that.

I'm just bring to light that there seems to be more then a few holes in the whole deal, re-stamps and questionable scrap/wreaking yard body. And letting the &quot;buyer beware&quot; that this could possibly be a rebody restamp piece together car as I have spoken to the original owner who sold the car WITHOUT the original motor back in the '70's. And when he searched for the car, and found it had been scrapped, he went to the wreaking yard and the owner said &quot;they crushed it a few months ago&quot;???? But yet is shows up now, with &quot;numbers matching&quot; attached to it???

SHADY money hungry seller that is putting a bad light on our hobby. </div></div>


Glad you stood your ground.

As more and more people that &quot;liked&quot; cars over the years become financially stable enough to finally buy one we with knowledge shouldn't assume all have the same knowledge. A guy starts his search after the kids are grown and out of the house and because __________ states a car is #'s he makes said purchase only to be duped.
Ron

[earntaz]

Education is the key -- and as long as there are dedicated followers of this forum and the stories they relate ... the quest for truth will prevail. The sad part of this whole deal is those without a clue will continue to be hood-winked by sellers. TAZ

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like many political issues if we just sweep them under the rug they just fester and never go away. With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized. That and many can be named so as to bring them to the forefront so that more people learn to shy away from them. Also we are helping to educate buyers as to what to look for when buying a car or at the very least attempt to show them how important it can be to hire a professional to inspect their car potentially saving them thousands of dollars. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Personally I do not think this subject can be discussed enough.</span></span> </div></div>


All good comments but Amen and nicely put on all counts here Rick!!!
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~ Pete

[VintageMusclecar]

This topic is a double-edged sword.

I've personally had my ass ran up the flagpole <span style="font-style: italic">more than once</span> for informing a customer that they'd been duped into buying a re-stamped carb.

Sometimes people don't <span style="font-style: italic">want</span> the truth. They simply want you to validate the decision(s) they've already made.

The tough part is figuring out whom to tell and when to keep my mouth shut.

[SS427]

My rule of thumb in that situation is, if they ask, I tell them. If they don't ask, I keep my mouth shut. Even when they ask I have been met with some rather hostile people before. $182k paid for a Shadow Grey LS6 that used to be a Malibu. He was NOT happy but between Chris and I we got $120k of his money back from the seller so all ended well. Rick Hendrick being told two of his cars were fake. NOT HAPPY! Sad thing is, his two cars inspections were freebies and I still was the bad guy! Go figure! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif[/img]