Motor mount issue

[Postsedan]

Perfect [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] This should Get R Done!

Dan

[Bill Rose]

I really appreciate the help. It just seems like a this kind of stuff shouldn't even be a problem. How many times have we all bolted the frame mounts to the frame, bolted the motor mts on the block, and dropped the engine in, without an issue.

Eric, Much appreciated......I was thinking along those lines, of making spacers to stick under the motor mts. I didn't realize someone makes them, but of course that makes sense. As long as they don't screw up the geometry, so the bolt won't go thru.

Tom, I'll look into the different shifter mount too. I did have to alter the Hurst mount, to fit the Autogear M22, but that alteration didn't change the height of the trans. But the part of the plate that bolts under the trans mount, does raise it 1/8&quot;.....I'm gonna look for a shorter trans mount too, but I want to stay away from urethane.

I spent the all day Sat, replacing the vinyl top, and polishing all the stainless moldings. The SMS top came out great. I've got to put this project on hold for a week. We have the whole family coming here on Labor Day for a barbecue, and I'm getting the evil eye right now!!!!

Thanks again for the advise. I'll get those parts ordered today, and put this behind me.

[VintageMusclecar]

I just went back and looked at the pictures again and noticed the pan has dimples on the front sides which are meant to clear the inner tie rod ends on a Chevelle. Did Camaros &amp; Novas use the same pan from the factory as a Chevelle?

[300deluxeL79]

not mine but another picture to compare...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-RH-1969-69-3...=item1e7e48b31d

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just went back and looked at the pictures again and noticed the pan has dimples on the front sides which are meant to clear the inner tie rod ends on a Chevelle. Did Camaros &amp; Novas use the same pan from the factory as a Chevelle? </div></div>

Eric, here's a shot of Grady's very original/restored 69 L-78 motor. Grady or Mike would be able to say if it's the original pan or not, but it's looks very much like the pan on my Nova. A good parts book would be the answer to the question.



This is the best shot I have of my motor, before it went into the car.

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These are to 2 questions I still have, for original big block Nova/Camaro owners.

1) How much of a gap should there be between the front of the pan, and the frame?

2) Are the Chevelle pans and Nova/Camaro pans the same?

Another way to measure the pan depth, is to check how far below the balancer, the pan is. Of course it would have to be an 8&quot; balancer.

[ssl78]

Just checked both my big block Novas and my big block Camaro you couldnt even fit a piece of cardboerd between frame and pan. I think your mounts are fine did you change core support bushings maybe they are wrong changing where it is in comparison to the motor. The pan with the dimples is correct for Camaro and Novas, Chevelles also used it but the Camaros and Novas definetly need that pan.

[m22mike]

As far as I remember that was the OE pan, I do not think your pan is the problem. I would just shim the mounts and press on.

Mike

[markjohnson]

I know it looks like you have the correct motor mount bolts but any chance of 7/16 bolt vs. 1/2 bolt for the long motor mount bolt? A sloppy fitting clearance hole for the thru-bolt might have let that motor drop slightly. Also, I Don't know what kind of oil pan gasket is being used but I recently seen one of the newer one-piece, metal impregnated rubber ones that was crazy thick!

[Bill Rose]

Thanks for checking on the oil pan clearance John. With the gap being so tight on your cars, I now know what to shoot for. As Mike mentioned, a shim or 2 should get this fixed.

I did check the motor mount bolt Mark, after you posted. It does have the right 1/2&quot; bolts.

I have the shims ordered/should be here Tues.

Thanks again for the help.

[Bill Rose]

Problem solved!! I got the Moroso shims (thanks Eric) from Summit. Just one 3/16&quot; shim under each motor mount, raises the motor about 1/4&quot;. I used the 3/16&quot; and the 1/16&quot; under each motor mount, and it raised the pan off the frame about 3/8&quot;--7/16&quot; plenty of room now, and fan is also centered in the fan shroud. I also gained some clearance where the manifold came close to the power steering box. The left valve cover is ok, but only about 3/8&quot; away from the brake booster. Typical Nova/Camaro thing.......Scratched the heater cover. No big deal with the nose still off the car...that will be fixed tonight....Thanks SYC!!