Ebay POP

[Kim_Howie]

I wish I could figure out how to put a picture up . I have a pic of my 66 mossport green 425 car. The pic was taken at the 1988 Bloomington Gold in Ill.

[ORIGLS6]

Send it to me. I'll post it.

[Enoch]

I have been in the restoration business since 83 as my full time profession. 80% is NCRS Bloomington Gold work. The only orginization that has a judging standard that comes close is the Through bred (SP?) for mustangs. The NCRS is the only orginization that has detailed judging manuals for each year car and those manuals are updated regularly. The hours of research is staggering.

ASLO they have printed materials to help educated people on restamps, fake paper work and trim tags. I have asked many time for help to ID a camaro trim tag or get a data base for GM stampings and the answer is always the same BS "we don't want the people faking the tags to get better." That don't cut it. If folks would have put the info out the fake tags would have been done. They did it for vettes and now everyone can tell a fake tag!!!

Also the corvette hobby has always been 10-15 years ahead of the rest of the GM muscle cars. So if the GM car guys are smart they should take the best from what the vette guys have to offer and put it to use.

Like allowing for factory documented CE block cars beng able to get top honners instead of promoting restamping. I have lots more to say on this subject but will stop there.

Rich

[sYc]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enoch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

.....Also the corvette hobby has always been 10-15 years ahead of the rest of the GM muscle cars. So if the GM car guys are smart they should take the best from what the vette guys have to offer and put it to use.

Like allowing for factory documented CE block cars beng able to get top honners instead of promoting restamping......

Rich </div></div>

That is something within the sYc we have tried to do. Example, a couple of years ago, at CVF, where Vette judges and their system was used, a member's Chevelle was not allowed a Gold Spinner because of a CE stamped motor, even though there was supporting documentation as to when/where/why the engine was replaced. The subject was discussed on this site, with the show manager involved.

[al8apex]

^ seems only fair, at least to me ... ^

IF you had all the papers, the car is what it is

But I am not one of those that needs to have the hose clamps aligned correctly on his car ...

Don't get me wrong, I APPRECIATE seeing a car like that, I just can't imagine having that level of ambition ... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[Belair62]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enoch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been in the restoration business since 83 as my full time profession. 80% is NCRS Bloomington Gold work. The only orginization that has a judging standard that comes close is the Through bred (SP?) for mustangs. The NCRS is the only orginization that has detailed judging manuals for each year car and those manuals are updated regularly. The hours of research is staggering.

ASLO they have printed materials to help educated people on restamps, fake paper work and trim tags. I have asked many time for help to ID a camaro trim tag or get a data base for GM stampings and the answer is always the same BS &quot;we don't want the people faking the tags to get better.&quot; That don't cut it. If folks would have put the info out the fake tags would have been done. They did it for vettes and now everyone can tell a fake tag!!!

Also the corvette hobby has always been 10-15 years ahead of the rest of the GM muscle cars. So if the GM car guys are smart they should take the best from what the vette guys have to offer and put it to use.

Like allowing for factory documented CE block cars beng able to get top honners instead of promoting restamping. I have lots more to say on this subject but will stop there.

Rich </div></div>

See,now that is excellent information. If I am reading you correctly then the issue of fake docs, POP's etc are dealt with at judging ?? I would think ownes by now would be afraid to even present a fake POP to judges. Thanks to the Corvette judging standards there are a lot of very high quality , correct reproduction parts available that have fitment across Chevrolet's car lines.

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Interesting discussion going on here. Just wondering, I understand the presence of a POP booklet being necessary for judging points, but does it go further to require that the numbers stamped on the plate must match the car?

[427freak]

Great question. You only have to have the warranty book with A p.o.p. in the plastic bag in the glovebox or displayed. Most people find an orpahn booklet that matches the year of their car on ebay or from the swapmeet and put it in the bag. The NCRS knows that obviously every car does not have its original booklet. The plate and stamps are not judged. Some people get plates made for their car and usually let it be known that is it not the original. I have seen people asked to withdraw from the judging field for a fake trim tag and typically you will not get through a Regional or National event without a deduct for broach and or stampings. And no the NCRS does not encourage anyone to fake anything, it is as in life up to the owner of the car to be honest about the situation. If the current owner did not know about the issue and takes the car to get judged they will be educated when they leave. Much easier to pay to have the car looked at before buying then to find out on the judging field. Just my opinion from having my own cars judged and having a lot of Corvette nut friends.

[427freak]

&quot;and typically you will not get through a Regional or National event without a deduct for broach and or stampings&quot;

I read this again today and realized I was up too late last night. I meant if the engine was a restamp they typically would not get through without a deduct. Sorry

[Belair62]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Belair62</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never understood why the NCRS is OK with fake POP's and build sheets and re-stamps. In fact it seems like it is encouraged. Oh well. Some things never change. </div></div>

Well it sounds like the NCRS does ding people for fake POP's so I will have to humbly and gladly retract this post which was based on the EBay fellow saying he has been serving the NCRS community.